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In these chapters we're provided with a picture of Christopher McCandless as he eschews (deliberately avoids) gifts (giving or receiving), money, and ownership of extra.  He's trying to create a life for himself that is very different from the life and values he was raised with.

Let's think about connecting to Christopher McCandless (and Alexander Supertramp, his alter ego) and answer the following:

Discuss a part of conventional (every day) society that you'd like to give up--(This can be small or large. Some of the smallest things might prove to be more difficult.)

What would be the benefits? What would be the drawbacks?

Could you give it up if you lived in the same setting you do now? Or would you have to go it alone like McCandless does not to fall back into it? 

How do you expect you’d fit into society / your current relationships if you were successful in eschewing what you had previously accepted?

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There are many things that Christopher McCandles's gives up that I could never give up. Although, I might like to give up social media. Social media is a part of my everyday routine as well as society. Granted this is a small thing, it is ingrained in almost everybody to post and follow people on social media.

The benefits of giving up social media would be that I would think and do things on my own. I wouldn’t see clothes influencer's have that I want. I also wouldn’t be jealous of other people's lives that look so perfect on social media. The drawbacks of this would be that I would lose entertainment. When I'm bored at home, I usually watch Tiktok or scroll through Instagram. I also snapchat my friends instead of texting them on Imessages. However, I think there would be more benefits than drawbacks.

I wouldn’t be able to give it up in the setting I am now. Social media is a normal part of everyday life. The only way I would be able to give it up would be if I went off the grid like McCandles. At that point I wouldn’t need to keep up with social media, I would be living my own life, against the norm so to say. I feel as though I wouldn’t fit into society as well without social media because I wouldn’t be caught up on the trends. I wouldn’t be snapchatting my friends in our group chat. And I wouldn’t understand the trends they are talking about. I’d feel left out. 

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Your post is relatable because I struggle to separate myself from social media. No matter how hard I try, as you said, it is an inherent part of our society. It seems impossible to eliminate social media since we use it for communication. I am guilty of this, as I message more through social media than messages. It makes me wonder if it is even possible to cut out social media from our lives fully, or if it is something that we need to use in small doses. 

As a society, we want to abolish unhealthy aspects of our lives, such as indulging in sweets. However, that seems unrealistic. Most of the time, we relapse and feel guilty when we cannot quit. However, enjoying “unhealthy” parts of our lives can be good for us, in moderation of course. We often go to extremes to solve a problem, instead of coming up with a more realistic solution. Instead of cutting out all sweet treats, we can limit how often indulge ourselves in them. This can also be applied to social media. Of course, this is easier said than done, but it is a step in the right direction. As a whole, we need to give ourselves grace. 

Does it reasonable to limit your social media time, instead of deleting social media as a whole? Or do you believe it is better to quit? 

Although disconnecting was what McCandless needed to find himself, is doing something similar even viable for us? Is there an alternative to going that far? 

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I agree with your post because for me it is hard to separate my life from social media. For me putting my phone down for a little bit is okay but getting rid of social media as a whole would be so hard. As teenagers and being our age we grew up in a society that is based around social media and I think that shaped all of us into who we are.

Society does things so odd, we can get rid of bad products or not healthy foods but social media as a whole is very determental, and harms us in more ways than other. But the social norm is social media itself. Even thorough social media. Though social media isn't a object its still as harmful as a object. I get that social media is used for good things just like unhealthy food or bad products could be used from time to time but social media has its purposes for sure.

Would you go on a deep social media cleanse? Or just take a hour of each day to put the phone down and do something productive?

Christopher took a bigger step to "deep" cleansing, do you ever think you could go to that extreme?

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Christopher McCandless is better than me because personally I don't think I could give up all my phone and basically my whole life. One thing that I would like to give up is social media. Everyone nowadays has social media and uses it religiously.
The benefits of deleting social media is I wouldn't have to deal with all the drama it comes with, whether it's what someone posted or what someone commented on there is always drama. The drawbacks of not having social media is that I would feel left out, and not feel a part of things. Social Media is a big part of how people communicate and without it I wouldn't get communicated to often.
I would be able to stay in the same setting, I wouldn't have to go rogue like Christopher McCandless. I have self control and even though it would be an adjustment for sure, it wouldn't just be different for me but my friends as well because they would lose communication with me when we are not together.
I think fitting into society would be hard because I wouldn't be keeping up with everyone else's daily lives and seeing what's new and fun. Society probably wouldn't like the fact that I can live without social media and they can't.

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I definitely agree that giving up social media would be difficult. I think it is on a lot of peopleś minds, so your post is very relatable! Social media also seems to be a way that a lot of young people are getting their information on current events, so it's growing in prevalence in that sense.

Personally, I don't think I would ever choose to give up social media entirely for a lot of the same reasons that you explained; it's a way that people stay connected, so giving it up keeps you out of the loop. I give up social media a little bit when I'm forced to, like when I go on camping, similar to Chris McCandless. Even so, I have someone keep my streaks, and social media is always the first thing that I look at when I get internet back.

A lot of older people also seem to believe that social media is harmful, and I think that that's partially due to the fact that it is more foreign to them. I do think though that social media has some good benefits too- it's a place where people can create community, have an outlet for creativity, and stay updated on current events.

This all makes me wonder if there are any social media apps that are less/more harmful than others. Like is TikTok a better app to use than Snapchat? Obviously this is mostly subjective, but it might be a good way to ease out of social media use for people who want to.

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I agree with you, giving up social media would be great and honestly could benefit a lot of people. but it definitely would effect how you'd be able to interact with society and your friends. 

I don't know if id be able to fully give social media up though because of the social aspect. most of my interaction with my friends is through snapchat though so I think it would be very hard for me personally. 

as a whole I think the world could be a slightly better place without social media because people wouldn't be comparing themselves to other online or being jealous about what others have and show online that they don't have.

Is there anything that you would miss about social media? I can think of a few things I would. 

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I agree with you. I wouldn't be able to give up my phone and my life. I would also like to give up social media but at the same time I feel as though I would be left out of the loop. Deleting social media would definitely decrease drama and jealousy. Social media is a big factor of society in today's age, which is tough.

Would there be a social media you would be able to give up? What do you think life would be like without social media at all?

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In Into the Wild by Jon Krakauer, he biographies the adventures of Christopher McCandless as he creates a completely new life for himself, apart from the values and ideas fed to him throughout his childhood. McCandless discards everything; his name, valuables, money, all conventional items in having a life in this society. Like McCandless, if given the option to leave something behind, I would travel as he does, leaving behind a comforting bed at home for a life on the road with infinite possibilities.

Though I doubt I would burn my cash and abandon my car, I would like to see the world, and experience it through a real lens; eyes. McCandless idolizes Leo Tolstoy and I felt especially connected to the passage, "I wanted movement and not a calm course of existence. I wanted excitement and danger and the chance to sacrifice myself for my love. I felt in myself a superabundance of energy which found no outlet in our quiet life," (Leo Tolstoy, Family Happiness) I find myself desiring everything described here, an undefined force pulls my heartstrings at the sounds of leaving my quiet life behind and pursuing greatness, excitement, movement in the way I want, without limitations and boundaries. 

Giving up a house, a mailbox, and a reliable place to arrive each evening, will without a doubt be a struggle. There is something invigorating about the unknown, so many outcomes and consequences that the mind cannot begin the fathom. I yearn to move on from high school, to see the things that have been taunting me for so long.  With conventional things left aside, I will be free. To explore, see, and experience things that I otherwise wouldn’t be able to within the confines of a home, state, or country. However, some things need to be seriously taken into consideration. “Where will I shower?” stands my most immediate concern, but also money and food. Where would I store my belongings? Will I need my belongings at all? What if something goes wrong?

  Like Christopher, I intend to fall off the map. Though not completely to his extent, I do intend on leaving my old life behind and allowing myself time to discover what's right for me, and maybe someday I will come back home, if that is what’s right. I fear my relationships may be stretched, though not severed, because I intend to stay in contact with my family and friends, and hopefully make new ones along the way like Jan and Wayne. Hopefully, I come back into society feeling fulfilled and enlightened, ready to face the world with anything it might throw at me (at least that’s the idea).

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I find it interesting the was you explained the extreme that Chris took his separation from society, such as abandoning his car with and money with not really a plan on how he'll do day to day, and the way that similarly, you would like to travel but not in such an intense way. the way you describe it makes it sound like that extreme is unnecessary for you. 

my biggest concern going on an adventure like Chris would also be when will my next shower be. I don't think I could do what he did for that exact reason honestly id feel to gross and not be able to focus on anything else. but it does sound nice to be able to really travel where ever you want. 

I wonder how many other people in the world feel the same and want to be able to be free and travel all around with no repercussions. I think that if travel and adventure like Chriss' was more normal that a lot more people would do it especially with how people feel negatively towards society. 

other then not knowing when your next shower would be is there anything else similar that would be what you were most nervous about or would be a concern?

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In chapters one and five of Jon Krakauers Into The wild, the first chapter unveils the surprise and doubt that came with Chris McCandless’s (Alexander Supertramp)  death due from his supposed unpreparedness and additionally his belief to reject society, leading to his own demise in Alaska of 92 on the stampede trial.  However with him sabotaging his prized datsun and breaking of his family ties revealed in chapter four, it comes not as a surprise that he had calculated plans of seclusion before reaching to the farthest state as a rubber tramp. For he had pre- destined travel routes in his mind two years before, landing flat on the unforgivable mohave and then venturing towards Carthage, South Dakota, strictly making it by with the clothes on his back and working some odd jobs while keeping relations if necessary.  Some say from accounts (Jim Gallien and author) that he was quoted as  “determined” and “a master of his own destiny” while he underwent such commitments, but how does it connect to me as a person looking to escape the clutches of the modern world? 

Well since I have a distaste for technology, I would like to eliminate my phone use and focus on my craving for books. How I would do this is  by ritualizing the experience, like throwing all my phones and laptops to the fire by using an igniter  and seeing the things I loved before me vanish. This could be seen comparatively by Chris leaving beside his old clothes in his locked car covered from a flash flood and donating his  money to charity, via things that could taint with his spiritual dream of living frugally and purely. Yet again, for me to live a life without technology sounds great if you only think of the positives, like not being able to doom scroll and be uncontacted so I can progress into my studying or music, but in order to have a healthy life, it comes with building relationships because of the flexibility of social media. Additionally, study material and the efficiency to learn from websites and forums expedites the growth of knowledge I take in. Think of Chris’s love for philosophy, for if he knew about the potential of digital media now, I’d predict he’d be obsessed with it. 

Which comes to why my addiction and dissatisfaction comes from when I was born (2007) into the rising height of technology. Where I would have to in my case, leave society just like McCandless, on my way hitchhiking to nowhere and become one with the wilderness, in reference to him even if he had more freedom in his era. It sounds extreme but in this case it is a viable excuse, because just like him, the ambitions I would have would appear fanatical or cause others to worry for me like Walt and Billie, though I am simply looking to nourish myself in a world where we are stuck to modern trends like permanent glue. 

While I feel this way, I don’t not neglect the fact that Chris McCandless had expectations far beyond my level of rejection, as Chris McCandless looked to divert from what he knew was real and mattered and to live by a surviva/risk- taking mentality, and myself has a petty obstacle of viewing phone to much. But I and Chris want to get rid of something in our lives, whether it be the struggles of family life and the wages of compulsion, and it's through the gratification of loss.

 

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Your comment about not liking technology surprised me, as it has slowly become a more integral part of our lives. It seems odd to dislike something that is a part of our everyday lives, however, it is not an unpopular sentiment. 

I love my phone. Mostly. It gives me a plethora of benefits that I would not have otherwise. I can stay out with friends because my parents have my location. I can order products from across the country with the click of a button. However, I am not blind to the drawbacks it can have. A bunch of misinformation is at the tip of our fingers, which blurs our vision of reality. I am a victim of this, especially with the election. The internet is an unsafe place, yet, we are expected to be able to manage our way through it. 

Technology can suck us in so easily, which leads to unhealthy amounts of screen time. However, what can we do? How do we combat this when apps are becoming more addicting? Companies have purposefully cultivated their apps to draw us in, and it is becoming harder to close an app. What are we, consumers, supposed to do about it? Companies have pushed the responsibility of managing what we consume through technology. Should all the responsibility be placed on the consumer?

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Your statement about technology seems to be slowly getting more popular, while most of us truly love the benefits of technology many feel like the negative out ways the positive. In my opinion it is becoming more popular especially in teens to realize how much their screen time affects them, while we are aware not many of us choose to do anything about that. Fortunately, it seems like there are a good amount of people who comment on how terrible their screen time is and choose to fix it. 

I find technology to be extremely useful and beneficial, it's so easy for me to buy things, do my schoolwork, and accomplish just about anything. I use my laptop quite a bit for my LRTC class because it can help me have access to so many useful visuals that really help me out when there's miscommunication. 

I think the best part about the technology we have now is how greatly its helped people. The way that it has helped out in the first responder and medical fields is crazy, it's scary to think about how we would be living if we didn't have the advanced technology now.

 I do wonder though, is it all technology or specifically your phone and the social media aspect. Youve talked about your love for music and cameras, is there a love hate relationship there?

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Into the Wild by Jon Krakauer, is a biography of Christopher McCandless’ miscellaneous adventures across North America.  He creates a new identity by disposing of any semblance of his old life. He cultivates an alter ego, Alexander Supertramp, who can be best described as free, unlike McCandless. If I had the opportunity to leave something behind, I would eradicate my desire for a fun drink. However, as the name says, it is a fun drink. So could it be that bad?

If I were to purge fun drinks out of my life such as an Aromas Rush, Dunkin Refresher, or anything that could be considered special, there would be obvious benefits. One benefit I hear too often from my parents is the money I would be saving. Additionally, it would abolish my caffeine addiction; although I do not have an addiction and I could stop at any time. I doubt that getting two 32 oz Rushs daily like I wish I could, would be conducive to my health. However, if I consume my fun drinks in moderation there should be no long-term risks. With the loss of fun drinks, there would be a decrease in happiness. There would be an obvious loss of spice as “What fun drink should I have today?” would never come out of my mouth again.

Cutting out all the fun drinks would be difficult in my environment. This is due to the Aromas I have six minutes away, and a Dunkin under eleven minutes away. Make that ten with a healthy amount of speeding. However, unlike McCandless, I would not need to go to the extreme of disassociating from society. Instead, I would avoid passing those locations where I could easily get a fun drink. 

The mere thought of wanting to cut out a fun drink would harshly contrast with the rest of society. Especially with the familiar faces I see every morning at Aromas. Additionally, many people need their morning fix to get them through the day, similar to how I feel. I would be missing out on a huge part of human culture, and isolated as I watch my peers walk in with Aromas. Nonetheless, sometimes it is best to break social conventions to blaze new paths, maybe it is one of those times to do so. 

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I have very conflicting feelings about this post. I do agree that "fun drinks" tend to burn holes in pockets (mine), but I'm not sure I'd consider them a waste of money. Like you mentioned they tend to become a part of our daily routines, and brighten our days. I can't think of one time that getting Aroma Joe's has made my mood worse. So with all that being said, of course the money spent on fun drinks could be saved, but I would never get the same satisfaction as taking that first sip of a rush.

This post also makes me realize you are much stronger than I am, as I could never chose to give this up. My first idea for this assignment was the same as yours, but I took a moment and realized I could never actually give that up.

I wonder how many in the country have a caffeine addiction, and if these drinks didn't contain caffeine would people still be purchasing them? I know I would but I wonder if for some it's solely the caffeine addiction other are willing to pay for an 8 dollar drink daily.

Were you at Aromas on Lisbon st earlier today sunny? Whats your go to fun drink?

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Lindsey I love that you are self aware and okay with the finical decision of spending your money on "fun drinks". As we often go together and often spend the same $5.02 on the Ruby Aroma Joes Rush (24oz) we have the same thought process about spending money on something that can make someone's day and for me is a great way to start it off. 

As well as I know you Lindsey I know you could never give it up and that's okay you just have a bit of a ✨addiction✨ to Aroma Joes.

I wonder if we didn't have a little "fun drink" when we are feeling down what would it be? would it be coffee? Soda? 

What location Aroma Joe's is your favorite?

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In the novel, Into the Wild, Chris McCandless leaves behind the car he loved, his money, and his family to pursue a nomadic lifestyle, traveling around the country on foot and getting help from various strangers. He sacrifices his normal life for a more adventurous and unplanned one, abandoning what he has always known. This sacrifice changed his role in society and changed how he viewed the world as a whole. 

If I had to give up any aspect of conventional society, it would be makeup. I think that makeup is more trouble than it's worth and it's usually not good for your skin either. The benefits would be that it would take me less time to get ready without doing my makeup every morning, and it would save me a lot of money in the long run since good makeup gets very expensive, and cheap makeup is usually a poor quality. 

However, unless I changed my lifestyle very quickly, I don't think I would be able to give up using makeup unless I was literally stranded in the woods with nothing. Makeup has become part of my every day routine, and its something I use to boost my self esteem when I don't feel my best. Because its become so embedded in my day to day life, not using makeup, as trivial as it is, would be an immense struggle for me.

I think that if I didn't wear makeup, my relationships and the way I am viewed ins society would change. I can already see this on days when I'm in too much of a rush or am too busy to put on makeup; people will say I look tired or sick or mean. Because I've been wearing makeup for so long, I've even had a few people who know me well not recognize me without it. It is usually expected for young women and teens to use makeup to some extent to "accentuate their beauty," but I think it creates a lot more insecurities as well. I also have a job that relies on my interactions with customers, and unfortunately, on days when I wear less makeup, I get less compliments and fewer tips. Overall, I think that giving up wearing makeup would be beneficial for me if it wasn't for the judgement and backlash that I may face from society.

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I agree that makeup would be a difficult thing to give up, especially when it becomes part of the everyday routine. I wake up every morning and do mine, and I think it would be hard to give it up completely. It's a shame that society has so much focus on the way people look when really it is what is inside that matters. "Don't judge a book by its cover" has become mostly obsolete, especially with so much online presence, and people only showing their 'cover'. Going without makeup shouldn't be frowned upon, and be judged because you look "tired or sick or mean" when that doesn't represent you as a person whatsoever.

This makes me wonder why people care so much about the superficial. Why does the way people express themselves matter? I have never understood why society is so judgemental, especially towards women. There are so many beauty influencers, that girls can be insecure and unhappy with the way that they look, with so many standards around "the perfect body". 

Some influencers do express their natural beauty online, without makeup. (Here is a link in case you're interested https://curology.com/blog/8-instagrammers-who-celebrate-natural-beauty/

Girls, would you be able to give up makeup (if you wear it)? Do you think society would look at you differently? 

 

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In the novel Christopher was able to give up money and continue to live his life. Although living my current life with no money is impossible, one thing I could and would like to give up is alarm clocks.

Living my current life without alarm clocks would be peaceful. When I allow myself to wake up naturally with no alarms improves my day. I feel fully rested, and have a desire to wake up. But when I wake up to an alarm, I fight it and find myself going right back to sleep after hitting the ignore button. Living without alarms would improve my mood but would certainly cause problems. If I didn't have alarms I would find myself late to school, and my job. This would poorly affect me as I would fall behind in classes and probably lose my job. 

Living in the same environment would be extremely realistic. I would be able to curl up in my cozy bed and know I would wake up when I wanted. I would have to develop a schedule so my body knew when I had to wake up but I think that would be easily achievable.

I think I would fit in just the same as I do now, nobody would know I didn't use alarm clocks so I wouldn't be looked at as some outcast. The only way I foresee it affecting my relationships would be me being late. I think that I would have times when I don't wake up in time for something that would end up affecting them.

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The post you've made is very relatable 🙂, and I understand when you ignore the alarms you set up. It reminds me about how I do the same thing all the time with my phone alarm and how I like to push the limits a little bit. Because when it rings at the start of the morning, lets say 4:00 am, I never respond to it and then I have put on another alarm the hour after at 5:00 Am, but then usually just like you I resist to wake up from my warm sleep. However even if alarms sound annoying, those alarms help me for the reason that a repetitive reminder is, which is  actually coerce myself to do complete tasks like stepping of my blankets and seize the day 

But I hope everyone can understand that as it gets colder outside in the wintertime, it kinda sucks as the low temperatures goes and permeates through rooms, especially apartments, making me getting out of my bed like i'm stepping in an ice floor, ice room and with ice doors, even if the heaters on! So yeah, waking up is definitely hard to do, and why not just curl up and forget whatever's happening. 

Man, I wish I could forget things like a job or school and live without an alarm clock, However I like to have a routine and schedule to motivate myself and do different things, like practicing music or just getting my blood flowing, but just not with the big expectations like going to school and spending ours to learn something I'll forget. I'm sure that was apart of Chris McCandless frustrations too, as of being required by society to do work that seems to impede on what people desire, but he seemed to be an enthusiastic person who would do anything, so It depends that if he really wanted to do things that he liked that others sometimes would perfer to divert from. Moving on, what could help me get to that point of productivity fully (because I do catch myself lacking sometimes)is to be naturally and fully rested like you said your dream was to be, notify me of when you have that skill fully mastered. Yet in reality, that can possibly happen if you can work on maintaining a balanced circadian rhythm, a 24 hour cycle to what impacts your body depending on sleep. Down below is a source from national health institutes to help with and I will probably discern for help as well.  Hope this helps with an Idea of a schedule to utilize from. 

More of what it is.

https://www.nigms.nih.gov/education/fact-sheets/Pages/circadian-rhythms.

Treatments.

https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/circadian-rhythm-disorders/treatment

Question:  What would you do if job and school schedules weren't a problem?  If clocks weren't Invented, would the world in chaos or would we just learn to adapt? 

 

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I love this post so much! Everything you said is so relatable as waking up in the morning with an alarm is unbearable. However, waking up at the same time without an alarm hits differently. I think it is because, like you said, I have a desire to wake up while an alarm forces me. I never realized how much I hate alarms until this post, as I ignored the annoyance because it was an integral part of my day. Before my junior year, I was fine waking up with an alarm. Somehow it never managed to bother me, which looking back, I find strange. 

I would have to disagree with you, the way we built our environment would make it impossible for someone to get rid of alarms. Getting rid of the alarm is almost impossible, as how would we know when to wake up? Is it even possible to do that, as we've built our society around time? This makes sense, as we only have so much time in our lives, but it feels inconvenient. Additionally, I do not think we could get the entire world to stop its reliance on schedules which causes the need for alarms. Similar to technology, it is not a necessity to live, but alarms feel inherent to our lives.

Is there an alternative to alarm clocks? Are there any changes we could make in our society so we could disregard the need for an alarm clock? Or is there a way to make waking up more enjoyable, or is waking up against our will a necessary evil?

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I love how relatable this is. Alarm clocks are just far too abrasive in the morning, I don't want to feel startled the first second of my morning, on the other hand if they weren't so loud and sudden would anyone really wake up to them? 

Personally, I do nothing but fight with my alarm, I have multiple alarms set between 5:30 and 6:40 if I wake up any later than that I'm not going to school. Waking up to my alarm just puts me in a terrible mood, I somehow already have a headache, I'm exhausted and it's just very unpleasant, waking up on your own just puts you in a better mindset in my opinion.

It's interesting that there's people who aren't really morning people and then others who wake up at 4:30 and go workout and then get ready for the day and make breakfast and do household chores all before going to school or work.

Are you generally a morning person and you just don't like the alarm, or does waking up just cause you to be grumpy in general?

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Chris McCandless is able to give up almost all of his possessions, except for the few things that are necessary for survival. in the first few chapters his story moves quickly and you realize all he's given up to go into the woods and live a solitary life. 

if I had to give something up I think I could possibly give up nicknacks. Giving up nicknacks would benefit me because I would have less clutter around me and that would mean my space would stay cleaner. a drawback could be that I wouldn't get to feel the happiness that the items brought me, or remember the memories that the items would bring back while looking at them. 

I think this is something I could give up living in the same setting, no need to go deep in the Alaskan woods, because part of the benefit is that my space would be decluttered. giving this up wouldn't affect me in society at all, nobody else would even have to know and if they did I don't think they would care one bit. 

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I don't think I could give up my knickknacks, so the fact that you would is eye-opening. I love my clutter, just as you do, and I fear that having a cleaner space wouldn't be worth the sadness I would receive from such minimalism, and the lack of memorabilia. 

This makes me wonder if other people see my clutter as garbage, or a mess taking away from the aesthetic of my bedroom. This makes me realize that other people can be connected to special objects just as I am, and see the joy a single knickknack can bring.

As a kid, I used to watch YouTube videos of people getting their homes cleaned, or professionally organized, (Safiya Nygaard has a few good ones in case you are interested) and wish I had the ambition to clean up my own disaster. However, now that I am older, I have realized that my space doesn't have to be white-wash perfect like some of the modern decor we see now. 

Does anyone else feel like their items are important to them in more than just a "this is my favorite item" kind of way? Does anyone feel especially attached to certain objects?

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I think that nicknacks are a really interesting thing to try to give up because most people don't tend to view them as being harmful. Even so, I get where you're coming from, because small things tend to add up over time and create a stressful clutter. 

I don't know if I personally would be able to give something like that up because nicknacks aren't just one small thing, they're a collection of small things that I've amalgamated over time, and most of them mean something to me. They're also somewhat easy to ignore as they can be tucked away in a box or on a windowsill. I guess if I can ignore them while I have them, I wouldn't miss them that much if they were gone, but just the thought of it is a bit sad.

I also think that nicknacks can be representative of who a person really is, so there's sort of a larger picture there. Like if people don't have those small, trivial items, what makes them who they are? In a way, nicknacks are a reflection of someone's memories and life.

I wonder if you feel a lot of attachment to your nicknacks, making it hard to give them up, or if it's just like removing clutter from your room.

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I think it's interesting that knickknacks is what you decided to give up. I don't collect or find comfort in small objects, personally I find them to be more clutter than anything, but I do enjoy keeping around some small items here and there that have meaning from something I've done or somewhere I've been. 

I find knickknacks to be very fun in many ways, although I do not have any knickknacks of my own, I always think it's fun to hear the stories behind them and I appreciate how people have such strong connections to them.

Sometimes they can be very bittersweet though, when I'm in any antique or thrift store and see a collection of little figurines, it's so funny to think about who had them before and what memories those trinkets symbolized for them. On the other and I feel that's its quite sad due to the fact they've probably passed, and their family members had no memories tied to them, so they got rid of them.

What are some of your most meaningful trinkets? Do you ever think about who will get the pleasure of having you're knickknacks sitting on their nightstand, maybe a future daughter or son, or perhaps a younger family member like a sibling or cousin? 

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In the book, Into the Wild, Chris McCandless is able to sacrifice more than I ever could, just the simple things are what I enjoy doing throughout my time, I love waking up in the morning and sitting at my desk to do my hair and makeup, I love doing my nails and coming up with fun designs. One of my favorite things is just driving around with friends and going to do something random, I love playing card games and watching movies with my family. I'm happy to ride along with my dad to go to the grocery store and pick out a fun snack to try, I enjoy buying things I think my sister would enjoy to surprise her with even though we aren't very close. I just wouldn't be able to give up any of these things to prove a point. 

If I had to give up anything it would be money, I think it would be easy enough to not have to worry about how much cash you have on you, having to worry about paying credit card debt and building credit, and dealing with having to keep money on your debit card. 

Money is such a stressor on most people lives and maybe not having to worry about it could be quite refreshing. Although I enjoy having money and spending it, I don't love the stress of worrying about money when it comes to paying off my car or filling up for gas. 

I don't want to give up money but I think it would be much easier than having to give up family or something as simple as a good night's sleep.

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With your very conflicting ideas on spending money but yet going against the responsibility of having money as well, I find that i'm looking into myself with this piece as it communicates such feelings of dealing with the double standard. I think sometimes that people often find themselves hating currencies and wealth but then again we are looking for wealth or say a great amassing of something to indulge in our fantasies, Nonetheless, it is more than money and it is often having to leave socializing in which fills our cup.  

I think if we didn't have currency, i'd be hard for transactions to occur unless your trading food or essential items like a car or whatever for big purchases, but after all a legit transaction such as simply trading a soda can for a hairbrush could be as viable. Then with all these trading policies you begin to lose what you've earned or what you worked hard to keep is gone and maybe traded by a less valuable item. 

You know what they say, Money is a crime, Share it fairly but don't take a slice of my pie {Pink Floyd} and just that money as recyclable it may be, it's one of these cycles that brings pain and joy at the same time.

Which makes me think, If money wasn't a problem what other item correlates to the same feeling of deceptive but a euphoric force? 

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I agree with you, I also enjoy the little day-to-day things. I wouldn't be able to give up any of the activities to mentioned. If I had to choose, I would also give up money. I would rather still have my family and friends. Granted there are other things I'd rather give up completely, like social media.

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Wow, this post was so sweet. I love that you mentioned the concept of giving up family and the little moments they bring us. I especially liked the one line about your sister and reminded me of my own. My sister and I don't usually see eye to eye but when I see something that reminds me of her or I know she would like I'm quick to get it for her.

I will have to disagree with you being able to give up money. I love the concept of it and I honestly feel the same way. its stressful and can become the focus of lives. But unfortunately it is what makes our world go round. Money it what allows you to do many of those things you mentioned enjoying. Being able to purchase makeup and nail stuff, gas for your car, and snacks from your sister. Without money many of those things would be impossible to do.

I wonder what it would be like if the world could stay the same without money. Maybe we could use some other form of currency like shells, I'm not sure. I think its certainly interesting to think of the world without "money" but maybe some other currency would be just as stressful.

What has been your favorite snack you discovered at the grocery store? If you had to leave your family like Christopher did where would u choose to go?

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Christopher McCandless gives up almost everything in the book, Into the Wild. He leaves his belongings, his friends, his family, all things I could not imagine giving up. Something I would like to give up though is tiktok. 

The benefits of this would be forming more of my own opinions on things, because tik tok plays a big part in whether or not I like something. I also think a benefit would be becoming less negative. Tiktok is one of the most negative social media platforms to exist. I would notice a lot of drawbacks though because I’m very addicted to it and would miss the positive and helpful videos that do come from tiktok. 

I think it would be hard to give it up now though because in this society tiktok is such a big source for news and entertainment, and I would get fomo. I don't think it would make me not fit into society though. I know a lot of people who just use instagram reels or apps similar to tiktok, and no one really is aware of it. 

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I see a lot of people are addicted to TikTok, though I am not because I don't use this social media. Discarding this app for quick videos would definitely have drawbacks from habit, and watching the positive and helpful content, which you would miss out on. 

Although I do not use TikTok, I do use Instagram Reels and YouTube Shorts from time to time, and I know that these platforms receive news later than TikTok, and are late to all the trends. Going without TikTok wouldn't necessarily mean you might get FOMO but I understand that fear. This makes me think about how people always want to know what's going on, and social media has become an outlet for news more than "News". 

In case you are legitimately thinking about dropping TikTok, most other social media platforms have a variation of the short videos you see there. 

How do you decide what is fake publicity and what is real news on TikTok?

 

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Christopher McCandless is very strong to be able to get rid of every single belonging, his relationships between friends and family. I feel like a lot of people would have a hard time not having their phone, but I feel like the bigger issue would be to get rid of social connections and money.  Social media and phones were made for us to be to connect to people so if I were to still have connections in person then not much has really changed besides a nice distractor from being bored. Money is something I cannot live without because no money means you have nothing. I think giving up my phone would be easy at first but I also would be very more, though it would help me be more creative. It would be like breaking an addiction though. Old people lived without phones. I wouldn't like to give mine up but if I had to choose one thing of importance it would be that.

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I agree that not having money would definitely be a big issue for a lot of people, but I think that it's interesting to think about people who may live completely without money. I don't necessarily think that not having money means you don't have anything.

For instance, like most kids, I didn't have money for the first decade or so of my life, but I still had things. Of course, my parents had money which is why I was still able to live normally, so it's definitely different than Chris McCandless's situation, but kids do have that same sort of freedom from consumerism or capitalism (etc. etc.) like McCandless was hoping for. As such, having no money is not necessarily as unheard of as people may originally believe. Children are still functioning members of society, just without all of the independence that adults tend to have.

Also, before money was a thing in the form of a cash currency, people bartered and traded and upheld full societies without the money that we are familiar with in modern day. It's interesting to think about what it might be like to go back to that, like McCandless does. Would it improve society or damage it?

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