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Does the progression of events from the historical context around To Kill a Mockingbird and A Raisin in the Sun emphasize a change in how discrimination in the United States targets non-dominant groups? Does it stay the same? Explain based on your examples from your previous historical context responses. 

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I think it stays the same. In both texts, the characters are affected in their own ways by discrimination, mostly by culture but there is also some institutional discrimination in there. In To Kill a Mockingbird Scout and her family is affected by cultural discrimination because her father is helping an African American with a charge in court. In A Rasin in The Sun the family is affected because they trying to move into a white community but they are African American. That is why I think these two stories are precisely the same, both families are trying to move on with their lives and get better ones and they are being affected by the community they are surrounded by. 

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The progression of events between these two novels do emphasize a change in how discrimination in the United States targets non-dominant groups. In To Kill A Mockingbird Atticus does not win the trial but the fact that he took on the case knowing he probably wasn't going to win was a big step in the right direction. People of color were not treated correctly and having Atticus defend Tom in this book showed all the struggles that both of them and Atticus's family went through. Although they lost the trial it still opened up the discussion about racism, you can't go back to "normal" after something so impactful happened. Fast forward a little bit and we are now in the time where A Raisin In The Sun would occur. This colored family experienced racism but at this point in time the United States as a whole had already made a lot of progress toward total equality. The Younger's deal with the possibility of being bombed after moving into their new house and they were advised not to because the other white families didn't want to be at risk. The family ignored everyone and decided to do what is best for their family and move into a mainly white community, even though it wasn't a big act, them moving to where they did made a step in the right direction because for all we know they moved in and nothing happened, they lived their lives and more and more colored families moved to white communities so there was no choice but to have change in the United States.  

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Discrimination, I feel, stays the same in both works. Discrimination affects the most prominent characters in both works in different ways, with cultural discrimination being the most prevalent. Scout and her family are affected by cultural discrimination in To Kill a Mockingbird because of her father's decision to assist Tom Robinson, an African American man, with a court case But Atticus taking on the trial despite the fact that he was almost certain to lose was a significant step in the right direction. Despite the fact that Atticus lost the trial, it sparked a conversation about racism and how one cannot return to "normal" after experiencing something so traumatic. 

 

The Youngers in A Raisin In The Sun are affected because they are trying to move into a larger house in a predominantly white neighborhood, but the residents of that neighborhood do not want them to move in, and Mr. Lindner even offers the Youngers money to persuade them not to buy and move into the house. Mr. Lindner claims that the neighborhood does not want the Youngers to move in because of recent bombs in African American communities, but that there is also the implication of racism within that request aside from the blatant racism that they are concerned about, not because it will have a significant impact on the Youngers, but because it will make their community look less beautiful with a bombed house on the block. But despite the overhead possibility of the Youngers being bombed, they decided to ignore everyone and move into the house because it was the best option for their family. Although African Americans made significant progress toward equality from the 1930s to the 1950s, they were still far from being completely equal.

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The progression of events between both novels, emphasizes the change in how discrimination in the United States used to target smaller groups.

In To Kill A Mockingbird they lost the trial which had opened up the discussion about racism. this resulted in an African American being falsely accused of a crime he didn't do and later killed for it. Atticus took a big step to protect this man and although he lost the trial he faced a lot of hatred for defending him but his actions still made progress towards equality.

The Youngers in A Raisin In The Sun are affected because they are trying to move into a larger house in a white neighborhood, but the residents of that neighborhood do not want them to move in because of their skin color. at this time Lindner offers the Youngers money to persuade them not to move into the house. Lindner claims that the neighborhood does not want the Youngers to move in because of recent bombs in African American communities this colored family experienced racism but at this time. the United States as a whole had already made a lot of progress toward total equality. 

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I wouldn't say it changes the way decimation is but I would say it emphasizes a start to change rather than a full change. In Kill a Mockingbird,even though Atticus had lost the case, He later realized that the court actually had a discussion. Atticus pointed out that in the past there would have been no discussion whatsoever and they would have lost. Same for A Raisin in the Sun, though the family was wasn't that there would be threats and possible attacks on them because of them moving to an all-white community. It proved that the youngers were moving there because they wanted a better future for themselves, despite the threat or possible danger

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Discrimination hasn't really changed since To Kill A Mocking Bird. People still judge people by their skin color, age and religion. They use how they are different to bully them and create more conflict. There are good people out there who don't bully others just because of how they live their lives and what color they are. In To Kill A Mocking Bird there was a lot of name calling like the N word and a lot of people still use it to bully others. When Atticus was defending him he got a lot of hate for it and now a days you still get hate for helping colored people. 

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The Progression in both stories I believe to be equivalent because they are being discriminated against based on actions they have taken to further progress through life.  In TKM the family is defending a black man therefore the majority of the community have a personal hate for them, In ARITS the family is trying to move homes into what seems like a lovely neighborhood but instead a representative of said neighborhood tries to buy the house back with profit to the family because many other residents have pure dislike for a black family to move in.

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i think it stays the same. because they both suffer from cultural discrimination. in TKM scout and her family are targeted because her dad is defending a black man. and in a raisin in the sun.  The youngers are being descrimanated against by trying to be kept out of a town because of their skin color.

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I think that discrimination stays the same in both of these texts. In each story, they experience different kinds of discrimination whether it be firsthand or watching it happen. In To Kill a Mockingbird, Atticus a man who sees everyone as equal, partly knew that defending Tom Robinson could cause an uproar. Since it would go against his morals to not defend him and offer Tom fairness he took the case and unlocked keep evidence that opened the eyes of the community. Atticus wasn't a victim of discrimination but instead, he was characterized as someone who was insane for taking the case. In A Raisin in the Sun they experienced discrimination firsthand because they wanted to move into a white neighborhood. No, it wasn't because the neighborhood was white but rather Mama wanted a bigger and better house for her family. Lindner came to their home to offer them more money just so they could keep their neighborhood how they want and with the people they wanted to be in it. Discrimination advances in both works as the United States targets non-dominant groups. Equality was all that was needed in these stories. 

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I think the progression of time slowly changes how discrimination was shown. In To Kill a Mockingbird the African American people themselves seemed to be completely despised and treated poorly. Atticus took on a black man with a court case, maybe Atticus knowing he would not win the case but it was at least an attempt at changing society. I think as time moves on and A Raisin in the Sun comes around discrimination has taken a important starting change. The African American people themselves are accepted, they are not yet treated fairly but they have a progression of becoming a whole as a community. Making the move to a all white community was taking a huge step to change. This would in a way force all races to come together as a community in one way or another. Although the Younger family knew the possible dangers behind making the move, they still went through with it and it shows the strength behind wanting change. 

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Yes, significantly. The use of cultural discrimination changes within the two stories in a very obvious, although similar, they share 1 key characteristic that differentiates them. In TKM there was an emphasis on skin colour specifically, if you have dark skin you are automatically predisposed to be lesser, while ARITS takes a different approach in suggesting that the battle isn't with otherness but with lack of togetherness (I understand this makes no sense, so let me explain). ARITS shows us many examples of assimilation and of Beneatha trying desperately to fit in with "white" culture. Discrimination in the 1930s (which I'll note was merely 70 years after the Civil War) consisted of the idea that white people are fundamentally superior and people of color are fundamentally lesser, but ARITS shows us that the focus has become less on the idea of biological differences and more on cultural differences. People of color like Beneatha often tried to assimilate and copy the dominant culture because to be African American became less about skin tone and more about the lack of Caucasian-ness. Don't get me wrong, skin color still played a HUGE role in how people treated others, but from my own experiences in my own life, when I compare discrimination that happened a hundred years ago vs. recently, there seems to be a shift in how racism forms within peoples head, the problem isn't necessarily that someone has darker skin, but it's the idea that their culture because of the fact differentiates them.

Within my own family I witness a lot of this (sadly) and there's a idea that you are "worse" because your African American, not because of your pigment but because of how you chose to hold yourself with it. It's the pushing of negative stereotypes within communities about other communities and it's often how many people feel (which totally sucks). 

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I think that it stays the same. In To Kill a Mockingbird the trial is happening and the Finch's are getting a lot of hate for helping someone outside of there own culture. Then when we read A Raisin In The Sun the Younger's are moving to this new house where the community makes it clear they aren't welcoming because of there culture.This doesn't stop them from going on with the trial or even moving to there new home. They don't let it stop them and they are proving the others wrong. I do believe the events from both stories empathize discrimination targeting non-dominant groups in the united states. Like I said before in my responses cultural discrimination is most dominate in both stories and they both do a great job at not letting it get to them or let alone show its getting to them. 

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Discrimination doesn't change much in the stories themselves but more so implies a start to change. In Raisin in the Sun, the Youngers push back against racism when they choose to move in despite being unwanted by their neighbors for their race. It's potentially very dangerous for them, but they didn't let the white people tell them what to do and tried to help the narrative that they could belong there regardless of race. In To Kill A Mockingbird, Tom lost the trial largely in part to his race. But as Atticus noticed, the court took a very long time to decide on the verdict which means that race wasn't the only thing they were seeing. At one point in time, a black man would've been guilty without trial at all and could've gotten much worse punishment. So while it isn't ideal, it shows that progress is being made and that there's hope for similar cases going much better in the future. As well, Atticus being white but defending a black man also shows progress. Atticus and their family were willing to take on the hate and danger that came with defending him because they knew he was innocent, no need to consider his race.

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I felt as though it stayed the same in both. I felt like cultural discrimination was the most common type of discrimination. I feel as though they are dealing wit the same discrimination but in different ways. I feel like it effected in a dominate way in A Raisin In The Sun because the cultural discrimination was more at them, when in To Kill A Mockingbird the allegations weren't really at them it was more because of what he was doing in To Kill A Mockingbird he was defending an African American and the people in that community were not really opposed to it. While in A Raisin in the Sun they were asked to move into a more African American community because they wanted to segregate them. The family wanted to end that segregation and wanted to make a new life for themselves so that is what they did. 

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i feel like the historical context going on during the time these stories were taking place reflects on how open people were about their perspective on african american rights. both stories contain elements of racism towards characters in them whether they are african american themselves or if they are defending an african american. in the play the youngers are discriminated against by lindner and the other members of clybourne park. it is more subtle but it is clear that they do not want them their because their race is not the image the neighborhood is looking for. in to kill a mockingbird racial slurs are used by caucasian people a lot without a care to give and i think they use the language because they might not understand how it feels to basically be an outsider in their supposed home. there was some backlash towards atticus for him being involved and actually trying to defend tom robinson, but in the situation it was time for someone to start defending the african americans that were being blamed for the crimes done by others. especially since the real danger lies with the one who walks free to harm others again.   

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I dont think RITS or TKM Has emphasized anything too much. It all seems accurate to what has really happended. This case was similar to Ed Johnson's case in 1906. He was wrongfully convicted of assaulting a white woman. Even though he had a good alibi that day, the all white jury had him guilty. He was sentenced to death.

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I think that is stays the same. Discrimination affected all of the characters in both novels but in different ways. In To Kill a Mockingbird because Atticus is defending a African American he is affects his family. This is an example of Cultural Discrimination. An I Raisin in the Sun the African American family is trying to move into a white community where they are not wanted. I think that this because both families are just try to find a better way of life but their communities are not letting them. 

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I think that the historical context around discrimination does emphasize a change in the United States targeting non dominant groups because in the two novels you can clearly see what life was like back then and how bad discrimination was back then.  Today as discrimination is still out there I believe that it is much better then it used to be and that it has drastically changed.

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The way non-dominant groups have been targeted throughout history are different in small ways but overall, they are the same. Throughout history, non-dominant groups have been seen/treated as less or given less. They are made fun of for being different or doing different things. There are a select few that treat non-dominant groups the same way they used to be treated in the past. But there is a change shown, in the books, a black man loses his trial with no evidence against him likely because of the color of his skin, and the Youngers were nearly refused housing because of their race. There is a change in the US now, much less severe. There is a lot more representation and recognition of non-dominant groups today. There is a much lower chance of a non-dominant group being refused housing or losing a trial because the community looks down on them. There is more work to be done for sure, but there is change. 

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