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Some readers take great exception with Krakauer's inclusion / interruption of his investigation into Christopher McCandless' life to tell readers about his own travels to Alaska in his 20's.  

 

After reading chapter 14 answer the following:

 

1) Is it ethical for an author to literally insert themselves into the story 130 pages in?  (This isn't a story about the author. The author never met his subject. The author also didn't establish that this would be the way the story would be told earlier.) Perhaps it is ethical in other stories, but not this one...

If you make such a distinction (that is okay sometimes, but not others) what is the distinction? 

 

2) Is Krakauer's interruption helpful? What does it offer us that we (the general reader) would not otherwise have and need?  Does it help us view McCandless' decisions and actions more or less fairly? More or less objectively / subjectively?  Putting yourself in the author's shoes, why is this addition necessary? Make sure to be specific here and use at least 2 quotes. 

 

3) Lastly, did you find this element surprising?  Krakauer has used "I" a few times and referred to himself when discussing a few of his interviews, but nothing to this extent.  Do you feel like it slows the momentum of the McCandless story? If you were writing would you have done something like this (if you had a relevant story to share?) 

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1) I feel that it is a bit unethical for the author to inject in the middle of someone else's story but I do feel that he had good intentions behind his actions. Usually it would be wrong to interrupt the flow of the story by adding your own story but I feel that the author was trying to help the audience understand McCandless thought process through adding his own story. It does seem a little insensitive to add your own story into the mix of a story about reflecting on the life that someone so young lived and then lost too young. 

2) I do think that Krakauer's interruption was helpful, even though it seemed insensitive, because it helps give the audience a better understanding of McCandless's thought process during his exploration in the wild. Since the story is written from an outside perspective and from the perspective of people who had met McCandless, the author could have wanted to try to provide a sense of the emotions that McCandless could have been feeling, since he had been through a similar experience while climbing the mountain in Alaska. The audience and the author have no way of knowing what McCandless was feeling or going through mentally since the story was not written by McCandless. The author was trying to use his experience as a way to help the audience better interpret what McCandless was going through the best he could and put himself in his shoes to try to further the understanding of the story.

3)I did find the element surprising when the author interjects into the story since it disrupts the flow but I feel that it was necessary. I feel like when the author interjects, it helps the audience remember that the story is not just fiction. The momentum does feel somewhat slowed down when the author adds his insight but it is needed to further the understanding of who McCandless is as a person and his decisions. 

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I liked the points you made about the moral insensitivity of including his own story into McCandless's, and that seems to be a shared opinion throughout this thread, but I was a bit surprised by the fact that you believed the interruption was helpful. I never looked at it through the perspective as being helpful, but maybe poorly integrated, and I find that really interesting. I think that, maybe, if the author had been a little more sensitive of his ordering and the amount of time he dedicates to his own story, then the story's helpful aspects could have been more obvious. 

I'm curious though, do you think that there even was a way to make this a more sensitive inclusion, or do you think it was necessarily insensitive to further the themes and development of the book?

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I agree about Krakauer affecting the flow of the story. It seemed like he was trying to convince the audience based on his own agenda. Since it is such a sensitive topic, it just seems like it could've been written in a different and less intruding way. 

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All 3 of your points I completely agree with, this is also what I thought when making my own response. That it was a weird thing for Krakauer to do, though it was helpful. I didn't even happen to think about the insensitivity part about the interruption, but it makes complete sense. But rather, throughout the whole novel I was wondering if it was ethical for a complete stranger to be writing a novel about their death. Did you think this as well? Were there any other ethical concerns you thought of when reading?

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I have mixed feelings about this section. It was a surprise to me when Krakauer started telling his own story. I think Krakauer has good intentions with adding his own story. It does add some context as to why he is writing about McCandless, however, it is a bit immoral. Completely interjecting the tragic saga of a young man dying on a fruitless journey across America to tell the reader about the one time you traveled to Alaska is a bit unnerving. It almost devalues the effect of McCandles's story by putting the "peanut gallery's" story in the center. 

No one quite knows what McCandles was going through at the time of his journey, but it was probably more important than the author's trip to Alaska. It does show that the author somewhat knows what he is talking about when he mentions Alaska in McCandles's story, but I still think interjecting it with one's own thoughts (especially after the protagonist dies) is not quite necessary. Especially when the reader needs more information about McCandless, not Jon Krakauer. I would not do this if it were a tribute to a dead man, but if it were not such a gravitational piece I would.

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I think the point you made about McCandless’s purpose being more important than the authors was an extremely good one to make. For the author’s story, they were only able to relate their past with Chris’s in that they both had a rough upbringing with their father, and they seems to completely ignore the entire half of the book precluding this where McCandless spent his days camping and hitchhiking around America and never speaking to his family.

The author makes one successful trip up a mountain in Alaska and he writes about it as if it's supposed to prove that McCandless was experiencing this youthful hyperness and confidence that everyone has around that age, but really, Chris’s story is extremely unique. The author, I think, can’t begin to understand the mental processes that Chris went through on his journey to Alaska, and I think it’s slightly insulting that, in some ways, he suggests he can.

Really, I think the inclusion of his story only brought into context just how different Chris was than everyone else.

"I would not do this if it were a tribute to a dead man, but if it were not such a gravitational piece I would," I think I'm a bit confused by the wording of this. Do you think there is any time where you would consider interjecting the story of someone's death (whom you didn't know, in this case) would be okay? If this story wasn't extremely journalistic in every other regard, would this inclusion be more okay?

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Although I believe that the author's input was interesting I'm not quite sure that his story really needed to be shared. I do understand why he included it, he'd had a story of his own where he had the same mindset as McCandles, but he didn't die when McCandles did. To me it almost seems a little insensitive, it would be different if the story was about a living person, but for the person to be deceased and the author to still focus on himself just feels wrong. 

That being said Krakuers story did help me understand McCandles view on life more like when he states "As I formulated my plan to climb the thumb, I was dimly aware I might be getting in over my head. But that only added to the schemes appeal. That it wouldn't be easy was the whole point. (135)". This quote made me think of my own life, his putting this perspective made it click that everyone has those thoughts, they want to do something "irrational" whether it's small or big. It made me think of McCandles as more of a person rather than just a story.

Another quote I thought was interesting was "The sour taste of panic rose in my throat. My eyesight blurred, I began to hyperventilate, and my calves started to shake. (143)." Any smart person would've chosen to give up and go home in the situation he was in yet he didn't. He went on to attempt the task two more times and completed it, but almost died during the task, but McCandless didn't have the luck of surviving. The author adding this part shows that he understands the longing McCandless had.  

The author also referred to himself while discussing a couple of other interviews. Although the author's opinion is interesting I personally think that his speaking takes away from the story itself. As I was reading I wanted to read about McCandless and his life, not about the author making poor decisions during early adulthood. In another story this writing style may have worked better, I just think this book wasn't the one to do it in. 

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I totally agree with this! Morally, it feels wrong, and for the story, it just feels distracting. I appreciated the author's input towards the end of the story however, because it felt like it was imperative to why McCandless’s story was being told. On its own, his story is vaguely interesting, but in the context of how his strange life and death affected many people very deeply, it becomes extremely important.

I think that’s why the author chose to put in so many anecdotes about his journey in researching and writing about Chris. He brought up often the criticism people threw towards Chris after his death and he often debated and questioned his motives. For me, the part of the book where the author describes his own journey seems like his attempt to explore McCandless’s motivations and justify them, but, like you said, I don’t think he did it properly or with sensitivity to the situation. People reacted so strongly to McCandless’s death because it ended in tragedy, and it’s likely that if the boy had survived, he would have continued to go about his strange lifestyle. I think that’s where the real curiosity comes in: what about Chris made him desperate for dangerous adventure and freedom? What drove him to enjoy what many people would consider torture? And why did he continually go out of his way to make achievements that put him in peril. I think that’s the reason the author's inclusion of their mountain climbing story was strange, because he had one thrilling, successful adventure into the wilderness and he stopped. McCandless didn’t. He had one after the other, and probably would have for many many years onward.

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I agree that his self insertions mostly take away about the story. Though personally, I think his own hiking story did help a bit in understanding McCandless. But I see your point in how Krakauer didn't die in the end like McCandless did, so that could change his perspective and thoughts, and be more unlike McCandless' own. I also agree with the fact that going into the book, we assume it's be all about McCandless, however with the authors interjections, that wasn't truly the case.

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I don’t have a strong opinion about Krakauer inserting his experiences and his own personal “off the grid” story into the novel. I personally feel that if Krakauer was choosing to write a novel concerning Chris’s story, he can approach the organization of his novel any way he wants. Krakauer doesn’t seem to insert his own story in the novel to take away from McCandless or gain personal popularity. He seems to be using his story and his own personal feelings, thoughts, and understanding as a comparison to what McCandless was likely going through, which people can’t understand. It doesn’t seem he’s doing it out of selfish intent, and therefore I don’t see the issue, as it is his novel.

I feel like Krakauer's interruption was helpful for the minds of many readers who were very confused and curious to understand why Chris made the decision he made. Krakauer’s story was not identical to Chris McCandless’s, especially considering he survived. But the stories definitely shared their similarities, which in turn may have created similar mindsets and ways of thinking between the two. For example, Krakauer talked about how he was, “propelled by an imperative that was beyond my ability to control or comprehend.”(Krakauer, 136), and perhaps McCandless was compelled in the same way. We are told through Krakauer’s story that he was also underprepared for the risk he was taking. Krakauer explains how he paid a bush Pilot to bring him food further into his quest but he, “Had no radio nor any other means of communicating with the outside world.”(Krakauer 140) His concerns about surviving began to grow, and we can only assume that Chris dealt with the same struggles and feelings of ignorance. Krakauer’s story gives the reader another layer, that can help them see Chris’s adventure from other perspectives, other than that he was just an ignorant and selfish kid, who set out to do the impossible. 

This element of the novel did surprise me, but no I do not think it changes the momentum of the McCandless story. You see in many novels that authors travel and deviate from what’s directly at hand. Typically it's only a change that takes us to a different time in the same story. But Krakauer just shows us his unique way of relating McCandless's story, to a story where the narrator/survivor is here to tell.

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I agree with you Maverick that Krakauer was trying to help the audience understand what McCandless was going through since we have no way of truly knowing. I also like how you explain that it is his novel so whether or not the act of putting his own personal story was selfish, it is his novel so he can add anything he thinks will help better the understanding of the novel.

I wonder if McCandless was feeling as if he was ignorant for his unplanned adventure or if it was his plan all along to stay unprepared. Do you think that McCandless began to see his own ignorance for being unprepared or do you think he was ignorant of purpose in order to fulfill his adventure?

 

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I really enjoyed your take on these chapters. Your perspective on why Krakauer puts his own personal experience into the book helps me understand more of why he did it, before I just thought it was insensitive. I do think his personal story changes the momentum of McCandless's story though, because he was foolish and survived, while McCandless was foolish and wasn't as lucky.  

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Your take is very interesting. I like your thought process, however, I feel that it was very intrusive and disrespectful to insert himself in the story. You say, "This element of the novel did surprise me, but no I do not think it changes the momentum of the McCandless story," but for me, it made it longer and more dragged out than it needed to be. I'm reading this story to find out what happened to McCandless, not Krakauer. Did you find the subplot boring? Or do you think it added clarity to the original plot?

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I believe the way that Krakauer inserts his travel stories into the novel was unstrategic and out of place. I could understand if when writing this book he decided to continuously add tidbits about himself throughout the entire novel, but even that kind of seems odd since it is a book about a man's journey to death. I understand that he has the freedom to write however he wants and has the ability to compare his stories, but I wish Krakauer would’ve left that more for an author's note or had a different section in the book instead of switching narratives from his story to an author’s pov. The knowledge that Krakauer shares with us, about how during his own reckless travels he could highly relate to McCandless and having his own realization that it was only up to chance and luck that he made it out, compared to McCandless who did not survive similar conditions. Despite an odd way of interjecting his story, I think that the author telling his audience what he thinks and how he relates really works to either confirm a reader's opinion, or even possibly be a counterargument. 

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I agree with you about him adding his own story to the book, it really did feel out of place. I also really like the idea of him adding a note at the end from his own story, it would've felt less insensitive, and more like the explanation he meant it to be. I think the fact he has an experience with this is good to add, he just misplaced it. 

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YES! I completely agree with the author's note idea! I feel it makes the novel more dragged out than it needs to be, and it creates a good moral argument about how he interjects himself into another person's story. I feel that because McCandless is dead that it makes the topic much more sensitive and therefore more sacrilegious. Do you think your answer would change if McCandless was alive? Or, more importantly, would this story still be worthy of a book?

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I would like to hypothesize that if McCandless survived his travels, he would either continue more reckless endeavors or settle down and write about his experiences similar to Kraukauer. If he was alive I would like to think that it either wouldn't be a super popular story or it would be so impactful due to possible character development and growth. But it is a very interesting question to theorize about. 

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Truthfully, I’m slightly appalled by Kraukauer’s choice to insert himself into the book. There’s a moral reason to it; because inserting yourself and your story of survival and triumph into a story about how a boy died of starvation out in the woods seems a little bit self obsessed. There’s also a literary reason I feel his inclusion of himself is beyond unnecessary: it adds nothing. No theme from this book is aided by the inclusion of the story about his hike up a mountain.

 

The point I understand the author was trying to make is that young people do irresponsible things because they’re naturally adventurous, courageous and naive. But, this was not one that needed to be spelled out, and also not that’s not really true. Sure, young people tend to be riskier, whether that comes to driving, sex, stunts, anything, but most of us really don’t go out into the wilderness after walking all through America with a fake name and die in a decrepit school bus. McCandlesses story is uniquely his own, and I think that’s what the story should be. The reason he touched so many hearts is because he wasn’t like the average teenager. He didn’t long for a college life, he didn’t long for romantic partners, or technology, he longed for a life bigger than himself and bigger than others. McCandeless is unique, and an alright student going out to climb a mountain for a few weeks is far from the grandiose story the book really should focus on. 

 

Lastly, no. I found this self insert boggling, but not surprising. Aspects of this book made self insert a great addition. In the end, when he inserts his story of taking McCandeless’s parents to the bus or him visiting there himself with friends, they felt like they meant something to Chris’s story. Chris is dead, obviously, but the story of his life continues on, the story of how his life and his tragedy impacted people keeps going, and it’s why these moments felt earned, why they felt needed. In the end, a story of a boy getting lost and dying is, sadly, all too common, but this book is meant to highlight the IMPACT of his death, not necessarily the circumstances in which he fell into it. That’s why the original article was so popular, not because it was a tragic story, but because people connected with some part of McCandless and his mission. 

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I like that you reflect on how it is morally wrong for the author to interject in a story that was written to talk about McCandless. I agree with you that it does seem a bit self obsessed for him to add his own personal experience without it contributing to the overall theme. I also like that even though you find it morally wrong for the author to interject his mountain climbing story you still added about how the author visiting the bus with McCandless's parents did help further the story, even though it interjected. 

Do you think the author crossed a line by interjecting with his own story or do you think he was trying to help the audience understand what McCandless was going through?

 

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It was a complete shock for me when reading the book and seeing Kraukers self insert. I even remember the times when he would consider himself before that too, being mildly confused, and thinking it was definitely weird. Like the question mentioned, and something I had considered too, Krauker had never met McCandless, never had any personal relations to him, the closest he got to McCandless was the interviews he did with the people who did know him. And because he didn’t have any sort of connection with McCandless, it makes his self insertion even more boggling. I think there are very few situations where this would be appropriate. Like of course an autobiography, or maybe a fiction novel where the fourth wall is broken. Or stories similar to that. 

While the insertion can be a bit off putting, it does help the readers a bit in certain ways. Since McCandless and Krauker are similar, at least according to the latter, we can assume that some of Kraukers thought process about his own adventures were similar to MCCandless ideas. So in a way we could consider Kraukers thought process, McCandless’ as well.

I found this element a bit surprising, but seeing as he sort of already did earlier in the novel, it wasn’t too surprising. Though personally I wasn’t too thrilled about this addition, it did add additional insight to help us connect more with McCandless’ perspective. In my opinion I thought it did slow the story down a bit. I found myself hoping that his personal dialogue wouldn't be too long. Though this brings a new aspect to the novel, I don't think it was absolutely necessary.

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