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In the Ted talk from Kyle Quinn, “What marrying an immigrant taught me about cultural bias” Kyle talks about his wife being an immigrant and how that has shown him how immigrants are often treated differently than US citizens. The Ted talk starts with Kyle's story about him and his wife going to the DMV to get new licenses. When the clerk saw that Kyle's wife had a green card she started demanding them to hand over more documents assuming Kyle was not a US citizen either. This experience showed Kyle the immigrant side of cultural bias and how that has changed his view. “We got was shocking she got up out of her chair began to raise her voice in a very quick and accusatory way” (Quinn, 4:42)

In the book, Out of Nowhere, by Maria Padian, Tom Bouchard is a captain of the soccer team and leader off the field as well. Tom is a smart and talented student and helps in school leadership programs. When Tom is encouraged into vandalizing a rock at their soccer team's rival high school he has to face the consequences and risk his leadership reputation. Tom has to complete one hundred hours of community service teaching somalians. After spending time teaching and learning somalian culture, Tom releases their struggles and starts being a better person towards them showing that he cares unlike the automatic bias of most Americans. “Have you ever eaten goat? Then instead of ‘ewww’ --- Maybe you should say, "I'm too closed minded to try new foods, like goat, so I'm going to spend the rest of my life making fun of other people who love this delicious meat.” (Padian, 74)

Based on the character in your book, how might people treat your character differently based on the fact that they do not have US CitizenshIp? Is there a difference in how US Citizens treat them because they are from a different culture? 

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Ifemelu is a young woman who immigrated to the United States from Nigeria. For her, Nigeria did not present the same opportunities as the United States did, she was not able to receive higher education due to political issues and frequent university strikes. America was a whole new world for her a world where she stood out, more literally than metaphorically. She was clearly different, she was foreign to America, and adjusting to American life did not come easy. One of the most difficult parts of adjusting to life in America was finding a job. “The recruiters, themselves not long out of college, the young who had been sent out to catch the young, told her about ‘opportunity for growth’ and ‘good fit’ and ‘benefits,’ but they all became noncommittal when they realized she was not an American citizen, that they would, if they hired her, have to descend into the dark tunnel of immigration paperwork” (Ngozi 249). She was constantly turned away once it was discovered that she was not a U.S. citizen, clearly being treated differently because of her background. 

 

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How does she support her life without a job(food, drink, clothes, sanitation, sleep)?

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What Kind of Jobs did she apply for, where they higher up jobs or lower (fast food, retail)? 

Was this difficult because she was illegal or because of race? 

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Great response that fits perfectly with the question. This relates to Kyle's wife from the ted talk who also struggled with being talked to differently compared to US citizens and Tom who is dealing with ignorant peers. Why do you think US citizens are treated better than immigrants who are trying to fit in? Are the people in your book being forced into this lifestyle of hatting non-US citizens? 

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      To provide info my book is about a married couple who moved to California after the husbands parents got electricuted from a live wire, the child(who's now a teenager), and another teen from Pakistan who came to America to live with her Uncle upon when family there died in an accident. In the first third of my book the Wife died and the characters lives were introduced. The wife, Misbah, dying sets up conflict for Salahudin her son as he tries to handle life after her death. The story for Misbah has been and keeps on with being placed in the past and explaining how her life reached the present as well as the trouble she has ajusting and trying to run a motel. Noor, the girl who lives with her Uncle, faces the challenge of trying to get to attend college in the future when the people around her say she can't due to being unamerican or "illegal" and don't want her to do it either. For your question, yes, all the way an astounding yes. Noor who I brought up earlier was called illeagel as a classmate said she didn't have a green card, I mean she responds her uUncle has it but regardless she's being treated like a criminal as she's from a different culture, ""Noor's green card has expired. She's illegal." "I am not." Ican barely get the words out. I'm so angry. "My Uncle has my current green card""(Tahir, page 191). Oh and this whole time Sal's been keeping his life afloat by selling drugs so people end up getting hurt and he gets arrested. 

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Great response. I see throughout assimilation related books, immigrant characters face constant adversity and have to overcome that. Do you think immigrants are not given a fair chance to become a US citizen? do they have the opportunity's, if so did they waste their chance to be a US citizen? 

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In my novel, Love Hate & Other Filters by Samira Ahmed, 17 year old Maya who is American born but she is Indian-Muslim. Her parents carried on the culture when they moved to America and raised their daughter with Indian-Muslim culture. All rules that were in place in India is still in place for their family in America. Maya struggles with being the only Indian-Muslim family in their town, Batavia. When her school went on lock down due to a suicide bomber, she was worried and scared that it would be a Muslim suicide bomber. She prayed and started to say how differently she gets treated and what she is scared about only because of her being Indian-Muslim. 

"I'm scared. I'm not just scared that somehow I'll be next; it's a quieter fear and more insidious. I'm scared of the next Muslim ban. I'm scared of my dad getting pulled into Secondary Security screening at the airport for "random" questioning. I'm scared some of the hijabi girls I know will get their scarves pulled off while they're walking down a sidewalk-or worse. I'm scared of being the object of fear and loathing and suspicion again. Always."(Ahmed,145)

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Great response. The characters in your book seem scared of Americans who do not respect immigrant culture and act inappropriately. Do you think some Americans are hateful towards different cultures or do they just not understand cultures other than the red, white, and blue? Do you think American immigrant officials should be taught cultural biased and not target immigrants because their immigrants?

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In, The Sun is Also a Star by Nicola Yoon the two characters being discussed in the novel are Natasha and Daniel. While only one of them being and imagrant. They both have two very different stories on how they came to america. Natasha came from Jamaica, as Daniel was born in the United states but has parents who had come from Japan. So far in this novel Natasha is the one being discriminated against, from Daniels family. Natasha and her family have been told they need to go back to jamacia and this is their last day. Natasha is doing her best to find a lawyer so they can stay in America. A way that Natasha and her family havent been getting treated the same is because of her dads DUI, and its avioding them from becoming legal. If a US Citizen where to have a DUI there would be limited punshments, " 'Dont tell me I will be all right. I dont know that place. Ive been here since i was eight years old. id ont know anyone in Jamacia. I dint have an accent. I dont know my family there, not the way youre suppose to know family. Its my senior year. what about prom or graduation and my friends?' " (Yoon 22) 

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Great response. I agree that it is not fair that having a offense on a record would deem someone illegal if they have no US citizenship. Do you think immigrants are treated too harshly and are not given a chance? Should DUI and other offenses be treated equally to that of US citizens?

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Are Natasha and Daniel friends or anything more? In my novel my main character Maya, had to deal with a similar comment of one of her class mates telling her to go back to her own country.  

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In the second part of Out of Nowhere by Maria Padian, Tom has now challenged Alex Rhodes to a bet. If Chamberlain, Tom's school, wins against Maquoit, Alex Rhode's school, Tom will get to put " You Rock Chamberlain!" on Maquoit's spirit rock. If Maquoit wins, Tom will go to Maquoit by himself and write whatever they want on it in front of most of the school. The only thing Tom forgot, was that their scheduled game against Maquoit was right in the middle of Ramadan, a holiday on the 9th month of the Islamic calendar when all the Muslims fast. “‘Because our next game against Maquoit is scheduled for the second week of October. Right smack in the middle of Ramadan.’” (Padian, 111). This means that all of Chamberlain's Muslim players, the biggest, Saeed, won't have their normal energy because they won't have eaten in half a month. Tom decides he might ask them to break their fast. Chamberlain goes on to play Whitter, the school they played first game, and won 5-2. His relationship with Myla becomes more serious, officially calling themselves dating. After Tom watches a track meet at a local school with his friend Mike, he sees a Muslim racing and realizes their religion pushes them, making them strong even during a fast. He decides then he won't ask them to break their fast. Alex Rhodes was at the Whitter game and saw Chamberlain's success. Tom meets with him at Starbucks. Tom accidentally tells Alex what age Saeed said he might be, 20. Giving Alex and his father the perfect evidence to get Saeed kicked off the team.

Because Saeed doesn't have US citizenship, Alex Rhodes and his father try to get him kicked off the team by questioning his age. “‘Some peoples is asks my age. They think I too old. But I got green card, Tom, that says my age!’ … ‘But I worry, Tom! What if they says I too old!’” (Padian, 221). Alex and his father are using Saeeds lack of files and birth certificates to prevent him from touching the field. And if he is kicked, Chamberlain will have no chance. 

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