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In Patron Saints of Nothing  Jay and his family moved from the Philippines when Jay was very young. Jay’s parents were always very controlling of him; they wanted him to have everything planned out like college, seeing friends, and even stuff he would buy. Jay lost contact with the rest of his family besides Jun, his cousin, after he moved. Jun and Jay were close and would write letters to each other. When Jun died the family hid it from Jay, Jay eventually found out that Jun was dead and why his parents hid it from him. Back in the Philippines there was a big drug war going on. Jun got dragged into the drug war and started to sell, Jun died from a shot to the chest from a policeman. Jay went on a trip to the Philippines to see family and find out more about Jun's death. When he comes back home he talks to his dad and decides to take a gap year and go back to the Philippines and learn about his heritage. To this his dad says “ ‘I’m going to defer my enrollment at  U of M.’... ‘I want to go back to the Philippines,’... I’d like to see more of the country,, I continue. ‘Learn more of its history’… ‘I’ll speak to your mother. Then the three of us can sit down and talk.’ “ (Ribay 315-316) By his dad saying this and in a way allowing him to do what he thinks is best it shows growth in both of them.  

 

The Ted Talk I chose is “What’s missing from the American immigrant narrative” . In this Ted Talk she talks about Mexican American women that had to go through high school and college with no family due to them being deported. She also then took in her little brother and took care of him so he could get the same experience.  She says “I did not know it back then, but during those eight years that I lived without my family, I had my oxygen mask on and I focused on survival.” (Gutierrez) what she means is she had to help herself before helping others. The connection is that in both scenarios I see a young adult or teen has to decide to do what’s best for them first, and worry about their family afterward.  

My question for you is do you think immigrant children have a better mindset after going through what they had to? By having a hard background does it gives them the right mindset and base they need to grow and achieve?

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My book is A Pho Love Story by Loan Le. This book, so far, talks about the challenges two kids have with their parents. Both families are from Vietnam and have immigrated to America. This book describes the challenges that both kids face when it comes to being good enough for their parents. The characters are Linh and Bao. Bao doesn’t feel that he can be good enough for his parents but doesn’t know how to tell them how he feels, along with Linh who has struggled to fit her parent's standards when it comes to life after high school. As the books has gone on Lihn and Bao have become closer, although Lihn and Bao have been fighting and arguing a lot and ended up not talking for a while.  Their families have always hated each other has long as they could remember, but they are tired of being pulled apart because of them. Lihn and Bao are now trying to figure out the real reason both families don’t like each other. Linh and Bao ended up getting into a fight because of their arguments with their parents and stopped talking completely. Although Linh and Bao weren’t talking at the moment she both realized how much they have grown from each other. Linh ended up painting a mural for a restaurant, and Bao got a piece of his writing published in the newspaper. Once they realize that they are good for each other and want to make everything work they decided to once and for all figure out why the families hated each other so much. In the end lying was the biggest factor for all of the issues that had occurred in both families' lives. Once the truth was out everything started getting better.

In my book, Linh and Bao both grew up in America and don't really know what it was like back in Vietnam other than through the stories that they have heard. Although they didn't personally experience the immigration, they grew up with their parents and had to deal with how they were affected by it which helped them understand it a little more. To answer your question, in my book they both had a better mind set because of the stories they grew up hearing and the traditions their parents brought back to America. They both see America as being more free and a place where you can be who you want to be and do what you want to do. This helps Linh be able to go great things with her art, along with allowing Bao to take more oppertunities when it comes to his writing. This is different from their parents, because they still see the world all the same when it comes to doing things in life. This is shown when Linh's parents didn't support her painting but once they realize that they aren't in Vietnam anymore they were come exceptable of it and allowed her to continue with it because it made her happy, even if that's something that they weren't able to experience growing up. 

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The quote that I pulled from my book that helps add on to this question is when Linh is talking to her dad about the things he liked to do.“‘After escaping, after coming here, I wanted to try that. I wanted to try marketing and advertising because it was something I loved to do, and before you were born, I went to school for it…But because of my English, I sounded unpolished in presentations. I couldn’t speak to even my classmates. It was hard, and I started to hate it. I started hating doing what I loved to do, which I never thought would happen…’” (Le 358). This adds to the question because Linh's dad wasn't able to do what he wanted to do so he thought America was just gonna be like Vietnam in the way that he isn't able to experience the things that make him happy, instead he just needs to focus on surviving. Linh, because she's young, understands that America is more than that. This is the reason she wanted to be an artist to bad is because she knew she was living in a place where she could do that. She was able to change her dad's mind and he ended up relaizing the same thing and allowed her to continue with her art. 

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I really liked what you said about how even when the kids didn't grow up in Vietnam they still got affected by what their parents told them about the country and how they deal with it growing up.

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In the begging of my book Jay's parents were also very hard on him, he was worried to make his own decisions without upsetting his parents. Eventually his parents realize hes not the same immature kid anymore and he has developed to be a very smart and caring person. He felt like he finally got their approval and it was a very good thing for him.

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in my book out of nowhere by Maria Padian the main character is not an immigrant but he is in very close contact with the Somali population in his community and gets to know them well, for some of them what they have been through helps them in America and makes it easier for them to take care of themselves. as shown in the main conflict of the third section of my book when the best player gets kicked off the team for a time he disappears and people try and look for him. "these are competent people who have survived civil war and a transatlantic migration."(Padian 250) this shows that for some people their mindset after going through what they have has made them better at surviving in a new country.

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I really like what you wrote about your book, it is very interesting. In my book there isn't much war that is being talked about, but there is a lot of issues when it comes to realizing that America is different from Vietnam. In my book there is also a part that talks about this guy being racist to all of the Vietnamese people in their restaurant. This relates to yours because there is issues with these immigrants fitting in completely and they need to be on survival mode. 

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I really like how you said "what they have been through helps them in America and makes it easier for them to take care of themselves." This exact thing is in my book, Jay learn very valuable lessons from his parents and family back in the Philippians which helped him immensely in the long run.

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thank you for the feed back

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In my book Almost American Girl By Robin Ha, My Character faces the challenge of moving multiple times farther and farther away from home. Most immigrants are people who are running away from a bad Country to try and have a better life. The journey and hard work it takes to become a new person in a new Country is unbelievable. I think once they get over the part of getting here, their work isn't done. They need to try so hard to build a life, find a school, home, friends and more. They try so hard to have a better life somewhere safer and I think once they achieve it, that makes them very confident and brave. Immigrant children seem to be more mature than others their age because they need to be. 

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My book relates to yours because in both book they are running away from a bad country. This means they have to find a new home and a new place to live, along with trying to fit in and become friends with other people, which can be very hard. 

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A quote to support my reply. "Gross! they act like five-year-olds!" (Ha 85) This is when a boy tricked her into trying the "american hand shake" and spit into her hand. 

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I really like how even though she was forced to move father and father but she kept pushing to succeed. It shows the drive and work integrity behind her.

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she is very driven. thanks for the feedback

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