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If you missed class when Discussion #2 was taking place or were not prepared to respond to your lead on time, you need to respond to the following question. Remember that leads are only responsible for responding to you within the timeframe that was initially assigned. Check in with your teacher when you've made your initial post, so they can respond. Please then mark this as complete on Google Classroom when you're finished all the steps that go into the Post Mortem instructions: 

  • A brief summary of your selected Ted Talk (that was not the one used in this post)
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In Sahaj Kaur Kohli’s interview on TedTalk called “Why children of immigrants experience guilt—and strategies to cope” she talks about how children of immigrants are confronted with guilt in a multitude of ways, but how that’s not always a bad thing. One of the biggest ways immigrant children typically feel guilt is when they feel like they are not meeting the expectations of their parents. One way Kohli recommends shifting the thinking around this is to focus on your own values, rather than your parents, and, “Remind yourself also that your parents are often doing the best they can with what they know and what they were taught. And with that, you have to have a lot of self-compassion to know that you’re figuring out how to deal with something that maybe no one in your family has dealt with.” (Kohli). 

In Phuc Tran’s memoir, Sigh, Gone, he also speaks about the difference in values he has from his father, and how he basically had to navigate a lot of situations on his own. Phuc actively rebels against his Vietnam heritage, rejecting his father’s efforts to teach him Vietnamese. He does everything he can to become as American as possible and is regularly offended and disappointed with how his father reacts to things. At one point he talks about how his father has beaten him so badly with a metal rod on his butt and the backs of his legs, he can’t sit the next day at school. But he talks about the good moments too. Times his father tries to be better, do better, and not let his own upbringing and trauma define his parenting, “He was often violent and angry, but now I can look back and see that he tried to do fun things from time to time…Fossil hunting on the shores of Pinchot Lake. Visits to the Indian Echo Caverns in Hummelstown. Impromptu trips to Washington, D. C. to see the Smithsonian…I had witnessed the tension of who he was and who he was trying to be” (Tran 92).

 

To what extent do children of immigrants need to move away from their parents’ experiences and feelings, and to what extent do they need to support their parents’ through their own assimilation and difficulties?

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In Luma Mufleh’s ted talk “Don’t feel sorry for refugees -- believe in them” Luma Mufleh, who is a gay Muslim woman who also happens to be an immigrant realizes upon meeting and talking to a group of refugee kids and playing soccer with them how much of an impact she could have on young refugees using her experiences. Luma meets these kids playing soccer and decides to create a small team for them to play on together where she brought them together helped them assimilate and play soccer at the same time. (There are 65.3 million people who have been forcibly displaced from their homes because of war or persecution. The largest number, 11 million, are from Syria. 33,952 people flee their homes daily. The vast majority remain in refugee camps, whose conditions cannot be defined as humane under anyone's definition. We are participating in the degradation of humans. Never have we had numbers this high? This is the highest number of refugees since World War II.” (Mufleh 00:58)

 

This reminds me of Saeed’s situation in “Out of Nowhere” because being a part of his school's soccer team helped him assimilate into American culture much faster. Forming friendships with American kids helps him start to learn about their day-to-day life.

In the second third of Maria Padian's "Out of Nowhere," Tom is required to complete 100 hours of community service at the K Street Center as punishment for defacing a rival school's spirit rock in the second third of the book. He assists Somali children, many of whom struggle with English, with their homework. There he meets Myla and Abdi and develops a relationship with them, eventually finding joy in his work at the center. With the help of Saeed's sister Samira, they come up with a plan to help Abdi learn English and teach Tom about Somali culture. Tom makes a bet with his rival school, Maquoit, and personal rival Alex Rhodes for an intense game with high stakes, but is later informed that the game is during Ramadan, which puts their team at a disadvantage. Tom believes they won't win, as some of their strongest players will be exhausted from fasting. However, during the big game with half the town in attendance, Saeed ties the game 1-1 and the game ends with penalty kicks. Saeed scores the winning kick, earning respect and admiration from the team and the townspeople. Despite the victory, adults from the opposing school express unhappiness at losing to Somalis and question whether they are too old to play, despite their green card status, further exacerbating racial tensions. “Like a guided missile traveling mere inches above the grass, the ball flew low into the corner of the goal. Saeed stood still, staring at his own shot like he couldn’t believe it.”(Padian 165) One of the greatest challenges faced by immigrants, particularly children like Abdi, is the language barrier. Their inability to speak, write, or read the language puts them at a significant disadvantage, causing them to fall behind. In addition, Americans place significant value on the celebration and knowledge of birthdays as a social norm. However, this cultural norm does not exist among Somalis, who lack a calendar and do not know their actual date of birth. Consequently, all immigrants, including Saeed, share the same birthday of January 1st.

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In my book I dont see as much moving away from parents feelings and experiences as I do them moving towards it. My book is very revolved around the relationship between Mateo and his ma and pa. Mateo is always thinking about them and gets good grades and always helps at the shop they own because he knows what they had to go through to get here and how hard they work now in order to support him and his family. In everything he does there is always his family as motivation behind it. No matter how tired he is or how hard school is he always shows up and focuses, skipping is not an option. He hopes to one day be able to support his ma and pa to repay everything theyve done for him. Even after they are arrested he juggles the responsibility of taking care of his sister instead of looking for help because he does not believe in charity because his father has never accepted any. “He might want to tell us to accept Jorge’s help, but he also knows that if he had been in my shoes, he wouldve made the exact same decision.” (Aleman 86)

 

In the tedtalk “what marrying an immigrant has taught me about cultural bias” Kyle Quinn talks about his experience of being married to an immigrant. Of course he never took it as such a big deal because he sees her for who she is, but of course not everyone else does. He talks about an experience at the dmv where she is treated as less than him because she has a green card. In this ted talk im seeing something similar to the question, instead of parents in his case it's his wife. He never originally made her feel secular from most by treating her by her name, an immigrant, he always just looked at her for who she is, after all he married her. But after this experience he realizes how tough it is to be an immigrant in this country because he has never had to deal wth the discrimination she experiences. This opened his eyes to how much more he needs to support her in her journey to assimilating into this culture. He never saw the difference in him and her until it was put in front of him when they went to get her a drivers liscence. “I dont have a greencard because im an american citizen-Why does it even matter” (5:46)

 

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The book I am reading is Girl in Translation by Jean Kwok. The main character of this book is Kim Chang who moved to New York with her mom from Hong Kong. In the second portion of my book, Kim encounters a bully. This boy, Luke, Fights with Kim. Kim is also trying to convince her mom to move because she doesn't like where they are. Kim helps her mom by getting good grades and working with her. She gets a scholarship that pays for Kim to go to a nice school. Ma also helps Kim. Ma helps give Kim another perspective when she needs it. In the Ted Talk What's missing from the American Immigrant Narrative, Elizabeth talks about how she wondered if she was enough to help her family. She decided to go to school in America and it helped her and her family. Kim tells Ma that she is going to go to a nice school with a scholarship, and Ma says “What an Opportunity! This is the beginning of a new direction for us, ah-Kim, and it’s all due to you” (Kwok 115). Just like the Ted Talk, Kim went to a good school and it ended up helping her and her mom. I think immigrants should support each other as a family, but they shouldn't have to support each other further than that if it is going to take away from themselves.

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in the book a girl in Translation by jean kwok, Kim moves to new york with her mom when their aunt gives them an apartment to live in, in the second part of my book Kim faces a bully for one of the first times, Luke is known for fighting and bullying. has been held back for several years and is much bigger than all the other kids so he uses that to his advantage. Luke challenges kim to a fight several months into her first year of school in America and she kicks him during the fight, she didn't know then but later found out that Luke challenging a girl to a fight means that he wants to date her. the bullying stops when she fights back too him. Kim also experiences a sense of guilt because she was always super smart in her old country and then when she came to America, she felt much dumber than she thought. in the ted talk about why children of immigrants experience guilt, she talks about how kids are trying to weigh both cultures and that it can be difficult to feel like you also have to support your parents. the relation between this and my book is that Kim feels as if she has to do well in school so that she can give herself and her mother more than what they came up with. "But I had just come from being the star at my old school, where I’d won prizes in Chinese and math in interschool competitions. I would have given anything to do well in school again because I didn’t know how else I would be able to help Ma and me escape from the factory" pg 69 i think kids put too much pressure on themselves too give not only themselves but also there parents more in life, i think you should give as much support as you receive. 

 

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"The Surprising Power of a Good Dumpling" by Wai Chim is a young adult novel that tells the story of a Chinese immigrant family living in Australia. The novel explores themes such as family, mental health, and cultural identity. The main character, Anna, helps her family run their restaurant while also dealing with the pressures of school and her mother's mental illness. Through the story, Anna learns to navigate her cultural identity and the challenges of being a second-generation immigrant in a new country. The novel highlights the power of food and family traditions to bring people together and overcome adversity. "I wondered if we were all feeling the same way, trying to hold onto our cultural roots while growing up in a country that wasn't our own"(Chim)

 

Upon marrying his wife from Brazil and bringing her to the US, Kyle Quinn thought that they could easily create a happy life together. However, he soon discovered that his wife was constantly subjected to various types of discrimination that immigrants frequently face. In his TED Talk, Quinn shares how his wife's resilience served as a reminder of his own cultural insensitivity and how the experience taught him valuable lessons. "I thought I had done enough just by marrying her, but the truth is, that was just the beginning of a long journey" (Quinn)

 

both the book and the TED Talk touch upon issues related to immigration, cultural diversity, and the challenges of adjusting to life in a new country. Both encourage readers and viewers to consider different perspectives and to be more empathetic toward others who may have different backgrounds and experiences. While there is no one-size-fits-all answer to the question of how much children of immigrants need to move away from their parents' experiences and feelings versus supporting them through their assimilation, having empathy, communication, and understanding are essential to navigating these complex issues.

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"I wince. 'She's fine.' we both know this is a lie and we both know it's as good as it'll be. My heart is dancing with excitement. I thought I'd spend the entire break trapped in that gloomy apartment and Ma's wrapped-up-blanket sadness."(Chim 58)

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The Ted Talk Don’t feel sorry for refugees -- believe in them by Luma Mufleh, talks about her life and learning many different things from children in refugee camps like how she can get the death penalty in some counties for being gay and how she came to realize that if she did not leave her home, her children would have died. She felt like she didn’t belong anywhere but came to realize that her place in life was to help refugee children find their homes. “Not only do we shame, blame and reject them for atrocities that they had absolutely nothing to do with, we re-traumatize them, when we're supposed to be welcoming them into our countries. We strip them of their dignity and treat them like criminals.” (Mufleh, 12:02) In this quote it tells about how when people come into America all we do is blame them for coming here and what happened in other countries when we should be welcoming them and helping them get through what's happening because we don’t know what's happened to them in the past and we shouldn’t make it worse just because of stereotypes we thought before we met them. 

The book All You Can Ever Know by Nicole Chung is a memoir about Nicole's life growing up as an adopted Korean child in a white family. The ⅔ of this novel tells about her background, where she was born, the reason she was told why she was adopted and hardships she faced growing up as the only Korean child in a white family and school. It covers her birth family including her full sister and half sister, birth mother and birth father. The last parts of her life it includes is her pregnancy and all of the worries that came with her baby. “ ‘I get mad, and I yell-what if that’s from her? What if I’m just angry at my kid all the time? Cindy said our mother was always angry. What if there’s-I don’t know, a child abuse gene, and she passed it on to me and I hurt my baby?’ “ (Chung, 127) This quote covers part of the conversation between Nicole and her adoptive mother, Nicole's birth mother abused only one of her sisters, Cindy, now Nicole is pregnant and she is worried that she has the “child abuse gene” from her birth mother. 

This question is hard to answer mostly because my book is not directly about the main character having to immigrate from another country, it's also hard to talk about assimilation because she grew up with her family since she was 2 months old, the best answer I can give to this question is that it’s the children of immigrants choice what they want to do, I’m more on the side of them needing to move away because most immigrant children have more stress put on them if they stay with their parents. 

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the ted talk I chose was "A safe pathway to resettlement for migrants and refugees." in this ted talk It talks about how kids and other people where forced out of their home either by war or because of gender violence or maybe even climate change "Over four million people forced to flee not just their country." (Heller 0:17) although in my book called Enrique's journey, Enrique was not forced out of his home I mean he was pushed on the streets because of his drug addiction but not because of war or harm.

Enrique was just a young boy when his mom left to go to the united states he was at the age of 5 he left for his mom about 7 years later still a young boy but all those years of depression lead to doing drugs and getting him put on the street because his grandmother didn't want him at this point in the book he was train hopping to get to the us but their were many barriers like gangster and boarder patrol this is what kept setting him back he tried train hooping 8 times and failed 7 of those times until he was able to make it past the boarder patrol because he got seriously injured.“That guy robbed me yesterday”(Nazario 48) Enrique see the cop that robbed him when he went to the clinic for when he got beaten on the train. this is another barrier He wasn't just getting robbed by the gangster but he was also getting robbed by cops and border control. Enrique's needed his mom so she can show him the right path to take because when she left him at the age of 5 his life went down hill he started to become a trouble maker and he started doing drug he thought that getting a girlfriend would help but when he left her to find his mom it made everything worse. 

 

 

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In Rebecca Galemba's ted talk called "How Employers Steal From Workers--And Get Away With It", Rebecca educates the audience about how employers steal workers wages and how they away with it for so long. "This rapid pace of the hiring process, unstable work, lack of immigration status and working on one of the least regulated sectors of the economy makes day laborers particularly vulnerable to wage theft, as well as other forms of exploitation, harassment and victimization" (Galemba). Wage theft impacts many work industries but day laborers specifically are very vulnerable because they don't have much time to negotiate wages, hours, and conditions, so they often get taken advantage of. 

In the novel "Girl In Translation" by Jean Kwok, both Kimberly and Ma experience wage theft. They get paid 1.5 cents per skirt which makes it extremely hard to buy necessities. Aunt Paula who is their employer, also provided them with an apartment in Brooklyn. This apartment was extremely neglected. "'You did that because it's illegal for us to be living where we are.' Aunt Paula clenched her jaw. She hadn't realized how much I now knew about the way things worked...'After everything I've done for you, you speak to me like this'" (Kwok 266). Kimberly and Ma find out about how illegally they have been living and working and call Aunt Paula out. They inform that they have found a much better apartment in Queens; Aunt Paula calls them ungrateful.

Ma has had a harder time with English than Kimberly. Kim tries hard to help her but Ma gets frustrated and doesn't understand. What I have seen is that Ma and Kim go through their struggles together since each other is all they have. Kimberly needs to let Ma figure out English and the language on her own. Kimberly can also empathize with Ma because she experiences difficulty with English as well. 

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