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If you missed class when Discussion #2 was taking place or were not prepared to respond to your lead on time, you need to respond to the following question. Remember that leads are only responsible for responding to you within the timeframe that was initially assigned. Check in with your teacher when you've made your initial post, so they can respond. Please then mark this as complete on Google Classroom when you're finished all the steps that go into the Post Mortem instructions: 

  • A brief summary of your selected Ted Talk (that was not the one used in this post)
  • One quote and citation from one of the Ted Talks (that was not used in this post)
  • A summary of your book
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In Sahaj Kaur Kohli’s interview on TedTalk called “Why children of immigrants experience guilt—and strategies to cope” she talks about how children of immigrants are confronted with guilt in a multitude of ways, but how that’s not always a bad thing. One of the biggest ways immigrant children typically feel guilt is when they feel like they are not meeting the expectations of their parents. One way Kohli recommends shifting the thinking around this is to focus on your own values, rather than your parents, and, “Remind yourself also that your parents are often doing the best they can with what they know and what they were taught. And with that, you have to have a lot of self-compassion to know that you’re figuring out how to deal with something that maybe no one in your family has dealt with.” (Kohli). 

In Phuc Tran’s memoir, Sigh, Gone, he also speaks about the difference in values he has from his father, and how he basically had to navigate a lot of situations on his own. Phuc actively rebels against his Vietnam heritage, rejecting his father’s efforts to teach him Vietnamese. He does everything he can to become as American as possible and is regularly offended and disappointed with how his father reacts to things. At one point he talks about how his father has beaten him so badly with a metal rod on his butt and the backs of his legs, he can’t sit the next day at school. But he talks about the good moments too. Times his father tries to be better, do better, and not let his own upbringing and trauma define his parenting, “He was often violent and angry, but now I can look back and see that he tried to do fun things from time to time…Fossil hunting on the shores of Pinchot Lake. Visits to the Indian Echo Caverns in Hummelstown. Impromptu trips to Washington, D. C. to see the Smithsonian…I had witnessed the tension of who he was and who he was trying to be” (Tran 92).

To what extent do children of immigrants need to move away from their parents’ experiences and feelings, and to what extent do they need to support their parents through their own assimilation and difficulties?

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In Family Reunification by Elizabeth Zion is about how families sometimes get separated from there family's and it can be a good or bad thing depending on the situation, and the family dynamics. Sometimes the children have to moves completely by them selves and leave there entire family behind. Moving is extremely scary for children and entering places your not welcome without your family can be life altering “I was literally born into a system that has been criticized by human rights organizations as illegal, inhumane and degrading.”(Zion) It is extremely hard to feel comfortable leaving your country and coming into a country that isn't so accepting.

In my Book The Radius Of us by Marie Marquardt. In my book families go through the immigrant progress and how to cross the boarder quickly and efficiently.They had a lot of struggles and interruptions to both of the family's freedom. "If you survive the rain and the sunburn and the bandits and kidnappers, la Bestia will take you all the way to the boarder." (Marquardt 38) I think its important and hrad at the same time to leave your family behind but at the end of the day you have to make sure where you are is safe for you and your siblings, and making sure not to let your parents decisions  they make for them selves reflect you. 

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What’s Missing from the American Immigrant Narrative is about how the speaker grew up without her family in America for 8 years, because her parents did not have American citizenship and her brother was too young to stay on his own. She acknowledges the sacrifices her parents made for her and now raises her brother. “Now, this lesson really hit home for me, because my parents, while they wanted us to be able to take advantage of opportunities in a way that we wouldn't have been able to do so anywhere else -- I mean, we were in America, and so as a child, this made me have these crazy, ambitious and elaborate dreams for what my future could look like.” (Carmarillo Gutierrez) My book Love hate and other filters by Samira Ahmed is about an Indian girl named Maya, she wants to go to film school but her parents want her to go to a different school and get married. She must balance the traditional Indian lifestyle her parents want with her own dreams. After a bombing by a muslim man who shares her last name, she and her family become the targets of hate crimes. “NYU is my dream school. I’m not going to the University of Chicago if I can help it. The mere fact that I’v pulled off this feat - under the radar, in spite of the ever - present gaze of my parents - represents a tiny victory.” (Ahmed 8) It is important for immigrants to move away from the ideals of their parents, at least a little, to better acclimate to a new country, but it is also important to listen to them as they can have valuable life advice.

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In Family Reunification by Elizabeth Zion is about how families sometimes get separated from there family's. “I was literally born into a system that has been criticized by human rights"(Zion) Imagine trying to leave a place that you dont want to be on and coming into a place that is not accepting of people. In my book Infinite country I see this when Talia is trying to come into the USA with her family and she is moved in a correctional faculty for adolescent teens. "This is a chance you will never get aging" (Engel 90) Talia is trying to get back with her family and support them half made it but her dad did not and has a plane ticket for her to the USA. She needs to support him so she can get the ticket. 

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You need to add to your summary. You provided the same information as in your first response, and you need to show how events have developed and changed. 

 

Then, you need to answer the question using both your book and the Ted Talk. How do these sources and your quotes help you better understand the relationship between following a parent's expectations and living for yourself? Make sure to connect to what your Ted Talk discusses to your book. 

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The Rivera family is trying to immigrate. They face a lot of challenges while doing this such as separation and the threat of deportation as well. They have to navigate Through a lot of things and they need to stick together as a family to make sure That they have the maximum amount of support they can have. In times like this you want to support your family but when everybody is fully into the country you can start to move away from what your parents want and start living on your own. In family reunification Elizabeth is talking about how she's born into a country that Criticizes human rights she needs to have the support of her family while also making her own decisions to better her life. These are connected because they both need the support of their family but also need to think about when to make their own decisions.

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The main character of the novel, A parrot in the oven, is Manuel Hernandez, a young boy often known as Manny. Manny is growing up in the projects with his parents, one brother, and two sisters. The title of the novel comes from Manny’s father, who compares Manny to a parrot in the oven: he sits around in the shade all day and complains about the heat. The saying is often used for people who are stupid, but Manny’s father uses it in a different way, to describe Manny as a trusting person. He says that Manny is naïve and often doesn’t see people’s true nature. This appears to be accurate, as Manny shows a deep level of empathy, but he himself is hurt by this ability to easily trust others.

In the ted talk, Don't feel sorry for refugees, Mufleh shares stories of hope and resilience, explaining how she's helping young people from war-torn countries navigate the difficult process of building new homes. Get inspired to make a personal difference in the lives of refugees. "Rooh, come on out. I need to talk to you. I need to see if you're OK or if we need to go to the hospital." (Mufleh 8:30) 

I think immigrant children should distance themselves from the responsibilities of their parents so they can adapt to a new culture, but it is also important to keep their parents in mind and help them along the way. In a parrot in the oven, Manny distances himself from his parents experience with adapting to a new culture when he joins a gang, despite the violence associated with gangs, it helped him gain respect and blending in with his peers. In the Ted talk, the boys coach had to bring him to the hospital because of the detachment between his parents. 

 

 

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In the Ted talk What’s missing from the American immigrant narrative by Elizabeth Gutierrez is about the missing puzzle pieces to the process of immigration and how close minded and judge mental Americans can be when coming in contact with any immigrant."But for me, it meant that immigrants couldn't and would never be able to fit into any one narrative, because most of us are actually just traveling along a spectrum, trying to survive.(Gutierrez) it is already difficult enough that these individuals have to flea their home country because of unsafe or unimaginable living conditions and just to come into a country that isn't very welcoming to immigrants. In my book Heartbreak Symphony by Laekan Zea Kemp Mia and Aaron have both lost a parent and they both use their talent in music to try and submerge the grief they deal with on a day to day basis. "In that moment, I forget I'm in my funeral tie. I forget that I'm about to take the same stage as Mia. Instead, all I can think about is getting her off this bus and into the auditorium."(Zea Kemp 118) I think to a reasonable extent children of immigrants should be able to branch away from their parents and have individualized experiences and feelings just like any other American teens would. I think supporting and helping your parents through assimilation and difficulties is one thing as long as you aren't doing it as a 24/7 job. 

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In my book, The Good Braider by Terry Farish is a story about a young girl named Viola who is originally from Juba and flees to the United States to get away from the war going on in Juba with her family, her family has a hard time adjusting to the people and way of life in America. "'If you try to meet with a boy, she says softly, 'I will say, there is the door. Go. I will give you a ticket to Africa if you do not want to live by the rules'" (Farish 136). In this quote, Viola's mother refuses to let Viola meet a boy named Andrew from America who is showing her how to adapt to American society, he also taught her how to drive a stick shift. "But my mother does not smile. I remember my mother when the soldier shoved the sack of sugar at her. She tried to keep her bony ribs between me and him. She did not bend her straight back because he had a rifle. I know how strong she is" (Farish 136). In this quote, it shows Viola's mother sticking up for her daughter back in Juba not letting the soldier get between them. In America, Viola's mom feels uneasy about Viola hanging out with a boy because of the experiences they had back in Juba, she is too afraid it will happen again in America, but she may feel that way because she is still grieving after the loss of her son Francis back in Africa due to sickness, and because of the way the soldiers in Juba treat her family. Viola can support her mom while she adjusts to living in America, but when her decisions and feelings interfere with the way she wants to live her life, she shouldn't have to.

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In the ted talk, ‘What Marrying an Immigrant Taught Me About Cultural Bias’  by Kyle Quinn, Kyle talks about the struggles he has with his wife dealing with opinions of people in the U.S.  “Welcome to my world.” This quote shows that sometimes people forget how much immigrants struggle in America. In my book, ‘Like no other,’ there is a girl named Devorah and a boy named Jaxon. Jaxon and Devorah meet in a very unexpected way and get feelings for each other. But Devorah is Jewish. Being Jewish means she can not be with Jaxon, her family will disapprove of this since it's against her religion. So she faces many challenges during this time with Jaxon. “You have to remember, Jax, this is a big deal for me”’… “‘I'm risking everything coming here.” (LaMarche 146)  Children of immigrants should help their parents and support them by maybe helping them understand the way that some Americans act. Usually children have more experience because they grew up in the space, but their parents may not know as much. This relates to the ted talk because Kyle has to help his wife understand some of the things in america. This can also relate to my book because Devorah has to help Jaxon understand her religion. 

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In the Ted Talk What's missing from the American immigrant narrative by Elizabeth Camarillo Gutierrez, Gutierrez’s parents were deported back to Mexico leaving Gutierrez alone at the age of fifteen responsible for her eight year old brother. She had to convince her parents to allow her to stay in the United States but she does credit this responsibility as the cause for her grit helping her achieve her accomplishments. The lack of guidance forced her to find it herself, “I did not know it back then, but during those eight years that I lived without my family, I had my oxygen mask on and I focused on survival.” (9:18 Gutierrez). In the Novel A Tyrant’s Daughter by J.C. Carleson the character Laila is held back because of the legacy of her family. The shift between her life and class led to difficulties throughout the novel. Laila did not reach success until she went off on her own away from her family's past legacy. "In my old life, the walls of our compound protected us from the outside world. Now they separate us from the inside one." (Carleson 47). To reach success most will have to stride away from their parents' influence to grow. But it is important to look for support and to remember their roots and culture.

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