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"I had a feeling that I shouldn't be here listening to this man who mixed children and didn't care who knew it, but  he was fascinating." (Lee 228) I think this part is important for them because it teaches them more about the African american culture and it changes their point of view on Mr.Raymond and how he lives his life so maybe he isn't such a bad guy. "His left arm was fully twelve inches shorter than his right, and hung dead at his side." (Lee 211) The evidence of him being a lefty and the hand prints on Maybella seemed like it was going to wrap it all up but him having a messed up left arm didn't add up with Maybella's injures at all. I think stuff like this makes the reader think more on whats going on in the text. I thought it was strange that he was still found guilty at the end of all of this.

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"I had a feeling that I shouldn't be here listening to this sinful man who had mixed children and didn't care who knew it, but he was fascinating. I had never encountered a being who deliberately perpetrated fraud against himself. But why had he entrusted us with his deepest secret?"(Lee 28) This changes the point of view from scout of Mr. Raymond, and also shows us how the black community and the white community act about one another. Most people know Mr. Raymond as a mean drunk, so that is what people believe. Following the children is just as important because they learn that the black and white community isn't as different as they all think. Since the children probably wouldn't have understood the full cross examination, instead we were shown how the black are with each other one on one. The verdict was simply unfair because it is clear that the blacks are not given as much respect, or credit. It was also unfair since the jury was all white men against Tom although there was evidence routing for him. "His left arm was fully twelve inches shorter than his right, and hung dead at his side... I could see that it was no use to him." (Lee 211) His arm being hurt didn't align with the women's injuries which is why the evidence being shown wasn't all credible. 

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 -Find a quote, and cite it that you think best shows what Dill and Scout better understand in talking to Mr. Raymond. "'Some folks don't - like the way I live...but you see they could never, never understand that I live like I do because that's the way I want to live" (Lee 228).

         -Answer: Why is it more important for the audience to follow Scout and Dill to have this talk with Mr. Raymond rather than hearing the cross-examination? It is more important for the audience to follow Scout and Dill because it gives you yet another look at how the town feels about people. It shows that the town is very biased and clicky and if someone chooses not to live the same life then they will not be accepted.

-Explain how you felt about the verdict. Were you surprised? I do not agree with the verdict. I believe that Tom was innocent but because of being black, he was not believed by the town. I am not surprised by the verdict.

-Find a quote and cite it from earlier in the trial that makes it seem like an opposite verdict is coming. "'You were screaming all this time...why didn't the other children hear you...where were they...why didn't your screams make them come running...Or didn't you scream until you saw your father in the window? You didn't think to scream until then'" (Lee 213)

         -Explain what impact including moments like this does to the reader. It shows us that the town chooses to accuse Tom. Even though they have all the evidence proving Tom is innocent, they just want to put him in jail because he's black. This impacts the reader by showing how races the town is

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"I had a feeling that I shouldn't be here listening to this sinful man who had mixed children and didn't care who knew it, but he was fascinating. I had never encountered a being who deliberately perpetrated fraud against himself. But why had he entrusted us with his deepest secret?"(Lee 228) This is a good example of how Scout's opinion on the community changes with this conversation. I think it will help her see that your opinion about someone isn't always who they are. At the beginning of the chapter, Scout thought that Mr. Raymond was a bad or evil man, but she sees that he isn't. She realizes that just because someone has mixed children it doesn't mean they are a bad person, Mr. Raymond taught Scout a lot about the black community. I feel its important to see this through Dill and Scout because it shows them seeing how the Black and White community isn't much different. Finding out that Tom Robinson was guilty was shocking. "Why don't you tell the truth, didn't Bob Ewell beat you up?" (Lee 213). Atticus had all the evidence leading up to this scene on Mr.Ewell but he never used to. Leading up to this scene you would think that Mr. Ewell was guilty and that Tom wasn't. When Atticus was questioning Mayella they made it seem like it was clear Tom wasn't guilty because the hand mark left on Mayella was from a left handed person, when she was asked questions she couldn't answer them without stuttering and acting like she was lying. The author did a very good job by portraying that Atticus had ended the trial until he reveals that Tom Robinson was the guilty one which then changes the whole plot of the story.                       

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'"I had a feeling that I shouldn't be here listening to this sinful man who had mixed children and didn't care who knew it, but he was fascinating"' (Lee, 228). this is a good quote because it changes Scout's view on the situation as mixed children were uncommon back in this time. 

“It ended in a small shriveled hand, and from as far away as the balcony I could see that it was no use to him.”(Lee, Pg. 211) When Tom Robinson is asked by the Judge to stand up, everyone finds out that he is crippled with a short arm, I thought this would be a turning point because How could one choke a person with one hand, and beat them with the other if they hardly had two arms. This will impact readings by how they read the situation because all of the evidence is in favor of Tom.

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"'It ain’t honest but it’s mighty helpful to folks. Secretly, Miss Finch, I’m not much of a drinker, but you see they could never, never understand that I live like I do because that’s the way I want to live' I had a feeling that I shouldn’t be here listening to this sinful man who had mixed children and didn’t care who knew it, but he was fascinating. I had never encountered a being who deliberately perpetrated fraud against himself. But why had he entrusted us with his deepest secret? I asked him why. 'Because you’re children and you can understand it,'" (Lee 228) This shows how Scout and Jem better understand Mr. Raymond because they understand why he fakes being a drunk, which is because it gives people a reason why he lives the way that he does. It is important to follow Dill and Scout here because it gives the reader and Jem and Scout a perspective of how they treat other people that aren't accepted based on their color or their life choices. The verdict was disappointing but not surprising because they kept saying that Atticus would win, but in these kinds of stories, that kind of stuff wouldn't happen.

"Atticus said, 'Is this the man who raped you?' 'It most certainly is.' Atticus’s next question was one word long. 'How?' Mayella was raging. 'I don’t know how he done it, but he done it—I said it all happened so fast I—' 'Now let’s consider this calmly—' began Atticus, but Mr. Gilmer interrupted with an objection: he was not irrelevant or immaterial, but Atticus was browbeating the witness." (Lee 211). This quote eludes to the fact that Atticus has Mayella right where he wants him and that evidence should make him win, although he doesn't. Including moments like this makes the reader have hope for Tom Robinson and Atticus, when in reality they don't and when the verdict comes in as all guilty, it makes the reader have a stronger reaction than if it was not guilty

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"you haven't even seen this town, but all you gotta do is step back inside the courthouse."(lee 229).  This helps scout understand that there is a lot she doesn't know about her town.  it is important that we follow scout and dill for this conversation because it might foreshadow scout figuring out her town.  the verdict didn't surprise me because he is a black man in a racist town. "Won't answer a word you say long as you keep on mockin' me,"(lee 206).  this makes it seem like the opposite verdict is coming because she is being disrespectful in court and that's never a good thing.  including moments like this keeps the reader guessing.

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l“Things haven't caught up with that one's instinct yet. Let him get a little older and he won't get sick and cry. Maybe things’ll strike him as being not quite right, but he won't cry, not when he gets a few years on him.”(Lee 228). It was important when Mr. Raymond confesses to Scout and Dill that he doesn't really drink all the time and that he only does it so people will accept his ways for a reason they deem acceptable. They learn that People aren't accepted in society for who they really are or want to be and that others try to adapt to how others perceive them. I feel like it's more important for the audience to follow Scout and Dill to have this talk with Mr. Raymond because if they didn't then the reader would have missed out on the lesson that Mr. Raymond taught Dill and Scout about people and what they think and how Dill's perspective and reactions will change as he gets older. I didn't like the final verdict of the trial but I was also not surprised by the outcome. I feel like the verdict could have gone either way with all of the evidence shown, if anything Atticus had more proof but that's just my opinion. “We were surprised to  find that we had been gone  nearly an hour, and we were equally surprised to find the courtroom exactly as we left it”(Lee 237). This quote shows that there is something special about this case, as it is taking so long for the court to come to a decision. This decision taking so long is special because during this time period when it was a white vs black man case they would just automatically see the black man as guilty which is what makes this case so special because the court is actually taking their time on making the final decision.

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"I had a feeling that I shouldn't be here listening to this sinful man who had mixed children and didn't care who knew it, but he was fascinating. I had never encountered a being who deliberately perpetrated fraud against himself. But why had he entrusted us with his deepest secret?" (Lee 228). They find out Mr. Raymond isn't a drunk but he tells them because he knows they are young and don't understand why yet. Because we get to find out about Mr. Raymond. I wasn't surprised that he was declared guilty because they were going to say he was either way because he is a black man. "Who beat you up? Tom Robinson or your father?" (Lee 213). This gives the reader hope that Tom Robinson is going to be let go and Bob is going to be found guilty but he wasn't. 

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"I had a feeling that I shouldn't be here listening to this sinful man who had mixed children and didn't care who knew it, but he was fascinating.  I had never encountered a being who deliberately perpetrated fraud against himself.  But why had he entrusted us with his deepest secret?" (Lee 228).  I chose this quote because it shows the way in which Scout views the community.  This quote also changes how Scout views Mr. Raymond.  It is more important for the audience to follow Scout and Dill to have this talk with Mr. Raymond rather than hear the cross examination because it helps the audience see how Scout views Mr. Raymond.  Scout and Dill most likely would not have been able to fully understand the cross examination.  I was not surprised about the verdict but I believe that the verdict was not fair because the jury was made up of all white men and you can tell that blacks are looked down upon in this community.  There was evidence that made Tom look innocent but because the jury was made up of all white men, they took the white women's defense in this situation. "Who beat you up?  Tom Robinson or your father?  No answer." (Lee 213).  This quote makes it seem like an opposite verdict is coming because it offers the chance to say what actually happened: but when she doesn't answer the question, it makes it seem that not answering was actually her answer as she did not want to throw her father under the bus. 

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"'It ain't honest but it's mighty helpful to folks. Secretly, Miss Finch, I'm not much of a drinker, but you see they could never, never understand that I live like I do because that's the way I want to live.'"(228 Lee ) This gives insight to Dill and Scout that the town is very racist and some people need to hide and lie to be able to live their own life without being harassed about their decision.  I feel like it is more important for the story to follow scout and dill rather than staying with the cross-examination because it gives more of the element of surprise as to what the final verdict will be. Following Scout and Dill was more important than staying with the cross-examination because it also gives insight to Scout and her thoughts about the town and the people around the trial. I was not surprised by the verdict because this town has been outwardly racist and has never really shown that it would show remorse on any African American.

"... why don't you tell the truth, child, didn't Bob Ewell beat you up?" (213 Lee ) Putting moments like these are supposed to trick the reader into thinking that maybe a different outcome is going to happen.

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