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-First, summarize what happens in this part of your novel. Make it at least four sentences.

 

-Second, find 4 quotes from the final third of your novel to analyze. Quotes should be moments that stood out or seemed significant to YOU. (There aren't specific quotes that fit this assignment best, and using the same quotes as others reading your novel will look suspicious.)

-In your analysis, explain which literary terms each quote could be identified as---list any and all literary terms that apply. 

-Choose two quotes to go into a deeper explanation of what they helped you better understand about the story and how they helped showcase a specific literary term. 

 

-Third, tell what message about war seems most emphasized through your literary terms. Keep in mind, this is different than just finding a theme. Your ideas need to directly correlate to the impact that the literary terms have on your understanding of events. Make sure that your message has the word ‘war,’ or something similarly connected, in it. 

 

-Fourth, explain how your understanding of the message about war changed from the last section. If it didn’t change, explain what other factors didn’t change. (Pointing to literary terms as factors is an effective way to approach this.)

 

-Reflect on your novel overall. What did you like/not like about it? Was it easy to follow? Was it easy to find literary terms? Would you recommend it to future students doing this assignment?

 

To exceed: Respond to someone else’s post with a comparison of a quote from your novel with a quote from theirs. It must be a different quote from each of you. And, you must discuss how similar your messages about war are based on the example from the quote.

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Billy gets brought down onto a stage platform for the halftime show.After marching without being fully there fireworks and flashing lights start going off. This makes Billy and the rest of the Bravos start having a sort of  flashback. The smell of the gunpowder and smoke cause this and the flashing lights make Billy's head hurt. After the halftime show they watch the rest of the game and go to leave. They get jumped in the parking lot by a man with a gun. Billy gets beat to the ground and then kicked while he is on the ground after the gunman is stopped by major mack. After this Billy says goodbye to the Phone and leaves.

 

1.”Soldjah gonna be real fah me, Yeah dey will, yeah dey will, Soldjah gonna get chill fah me, Yeah dey will, Yeah dey will.” (Fountain 239) Perspective and Character

 

2.”Halftime sort of skitzed me out.” (Fountain 242)Perspective, the halftime show for Billy was awful. The booms and the smell of gunpowder made Billy thin back to the war.

 

3.”Jaaaaaa Ssssshhhhhh! Dah Joshster.” (Fountain 251) Onimonapea

 

4.”You’re gonna spoil him” (Fountain 262) Understatement, one of the bravos is in a shirt in cold rainy weather and has no reaction. But some women besides her want him to have her blanket to keep warm. The rest of the group explained how to live in ditches as a kid and don't need such things.

 

Message and explanation: War changes all. Billy's Character and Perspective highlight this. Billy felt he was a kid up to no good all the time when he was still in school but now he is on point with mental trauma. My message has not changed since the beginning of the novel. This novel was very depressing. The drawn out detail of everything and nothing positive about anything other than a girl made it boring and depressing. The staleness of the book showed. It was sad in a sense. The novel was very drawn out and long.

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The "war changes all" theme is similar to my book, my book uses a lot of description to draw out the story and have us get into the perspective of someone who over thinks everything due to what war taught him. A particularly descriptive part of the book is when he describes the roots he's pulling up as "long waving tendrils snaking into the air and weaving through the grass. Conrad took hold of a shoot and tugged, pulling up a nest of bright yellow roots. The color was surprising, almost fluorescent. They were damp with dark soil clinging to them" (Robinson 178-179) He goes on to continue like this for a long while and it helps accentuate the slowness of coming back from war.

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In the last third of Billy Lynn’s Long Halftime Walk Bravo is told to leave the suit and get ready for the Halftime show. For the Halftime show Destiny's Child is singing and the Bravos just stand in the middle of the stage saluting while everyone applauds them. Billy gets to meet up with Faison again and this time they exchange numbers so that they can meet up before he leaves. Billy’s sister hires a guy that can help Billy run away from the army but Billy ignores her text because he can’t make a decision. The Bravo’s also have the movie deal that they can’t make a decision on because they feel like they are getting robbed because they aren’t getting much money out of it so they decline the offer. After the game on the way out to the Limo they are attacked by Norm’s people because he was mad that they didn’t sign the movie contract. Everyone is ok but wounded and Billy gets to meet up with Faison one more time before leaving. She tells him she’ll be waiting for him to come back and the story ends with Limo leaving.

 

  1. “This is yr brain on meth! Lodis is flinching, his poor head keeps swagging to the side, than the explosions start and they all flinch, boom boom boom boom, lum rounds are shooting off from somewhere backstage, smokers that explode with arid crackle of cluster bombs scattering over a wheat field” (Fountain 230).--- Plot, Character, Metaphor, Imagery, Onomatopoeia. This quote shows a lot of literacy terms and it really gets to the climax of the story. The whole time the Bravos had no idea what was going to happen during the Halftime Show and it was just chaos. They were told to just stand there and when they went out there and stood they felt proud. Billy was especially proud to serve his country and be able to be on stage with Beyonce. But this quote also shows a sign of PTSD and how the Bravos reacted to the fireworks going off and thought that it was like bombs going off which shows that big noises affect them.

 

    2.“‘She keeps glancing over at Sykes. She's fascinated, or perhaps just troubled that nothing’s being done about him. ‘Does he have kids?’ ‘One on the ground, one on the way.”’ (Fountain 245).--- Plot, Perspective, Character, Understatement.

 

    3.“Oh Jesus. Oh Shroom. What would Shroom do? What would he do if he was Billy, that is the better question, one that turns on the most intimate, pressing issues of soul, self-definition, one’s ultimate purpose in life” (Fountain 296).---Plot, Perspective, Character, Juxtaposition.  This quote shows the biggest decision Billy has to make that will affect his life from there on. His choice is to Run away with the person his sister hired or Leave with Bravo and go back into war and leave the Love of his Life that he just met today. Billy brings up Shroom because Shroom was his leader in war and best friend. Billy looked up to him and when he let Shroom die in his arms, this moment never left him and he wants to make the right decision because he knows Shroom would do the same thing. So Billy decides that he’s going to stay with the Bravos and go back to war because Shroom would do the same. 

 

    4.“‘Baby, we don’t have to run anywhere. You just get yourself home and we’ll be fine right here.’ He doesn’t resist, because there’s just so much to lose. He will forgo the greater risk in favor of the lesser, even though the lesser---and isn’t funny, funny!---is the one that might get him killed.”’ (Fountain 305).---Plot, Perspective, Character, Understatement, Hyperbole, Paradox

 

In War you lose Friends and Family. My understanding of war changed because throughout the book Billy was affected Mentally and physically but towards the end it showed more that the war meant he had to give up family and friends and he was willing to do that. I think that this novel was pretty good. It was sometimes hard to follow at some points because the story is based on one day but sometimes there will be flashbacks and you won’t realize you read that part. I liked how it had football which interested me so it kept me engaged. It was pretty easy to find the literacy terms from the quotes I chose, but there were many other quotes I could have chosen that would have worked for literacy terms as well. I would really recommend this book for anyone because it is an easy book to read.

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In the last third of the novel the movie that was gonna be made for them is no longer going to be made or at least not at this right moment as Bravo was not happy that all their individual pay was gonna go from $100,000 down to $50,000 each.  After discussion they thought they might be able to get more money out of it but they had no more time to talk about it as they had to go back to the war.  Billy also has to say goodbye to his cheerleader as Billy decided to just go back to the war and instead of trying to fight it with layers and not go back.

Quote 1. “‘I believe in your story,’ Norm tells the Bravos, with only the briefest glance at the field, ‘and I believe in the good it can do for our country. It’s a story of courage, hope, optimism, love of freedom, all the convictions that motivated you young men to do what you did…” (pg.274-275 Fountain)  P.O.V., imagery. I chose this quote because it really does show that at least some people understand the Bravos story and what effect it can have on someone and that they think sharing it even bigger in a movie is a great idea.

 

Quote 2.  “Billy opens his eyes. ‘Norm. Remember what he said in there, he was like, you guys oughta take the deal because it’s all you’ve got, and somethings better than nothing? But I don’t think so. I think sometimes nothing is better than something…”’ (pg.283 Fountain)  perspective, imagery. I chose this quote because it kinda shows that they don't even need the money at this point. It's not worth arguing over and it’s not their problem anymore.

 

Quote 3. “WHY MAKE A MOVIE anyway? It seems pointless to go to all that trouble when the original is floating out there for all to see,...(pg.288 Fountain) perspective, paradox.

 

Quote 4. “He sees her cutting through the crowd, white  oots flashing underneath a dark overcoat, and her hair, a muted silver under the horrible prison lights, spilling everywhere, over her shoulders, down her back, across her breast.” (pg.304 Fountain) perspective, imagery, P.O.V.

 

I think that the war message is that war just creates problems whether you're coming back from fighting in it or you're going back to fight in it.  No matter what you do to protect the country when it comes to money soldiers get no support.

 

I would say through the sections the message about war has changed because earlier in the novel the message about war was all about support the veterans were as now it’s kinda like they are getting treated poorly and now they also have to go back to war.

 

I liked this book all around. I do feel as though it was hard to follow at some points but for the most part it was easy to understand.  I would recommend the book to fellow students as a assignment because i'm not a big book person but even I enjoyed listening to the book and with how it ended wished there was a second one too see what happens to billy and if he fully survives the war and even maybe has a family and or also if they end up making the movie about the Bravos and how much each Bravo will get paid.

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The final part of Johnny Got His Gun involves Joe still battling having lost pretty much everything including his senses- no hearing, can't talk, can't see, can't smell, can't move, etc... Basically living in Hell still being in his situation. Only now, he's finally sick of being in his situation in the hospital and he wants to go out and live life to the best of his ability. So he's not as hopeless as he was in the initial event of getting into his predicament. He's even developed communicating by tapping, which works for him to tell other people what he wants, and for people to tell his things by tapping his forehead. Ultimately though, he's stuck in his situation because of his state, and they can't let him go.

  1. "Like a wild animal he was trying to hammer his way out to escape into the world beyond. He was trapped in his own brain tangled in the tissues and brain-matter kicking and gouging and screaming to get out. And the only person in the world who could help him had no idea of what he was doing" (Trumbo, 181). -Simile, Perspective, Character, Plot.
  2. "Then the music stopped and there was silence. It wasn't the simple silence that sometimes comes when you are in the world the silence which is merely the absence of noise. It wasn't even the silence that comes to deaf people. It was something like the silence you hear when you put a seashell to your ear the silence of time itself that is so great it makes a noise. It was a silence like thunder in the distance. It was a silence so dense that it ceased to be silence. It changed from a thing to a thought and in the end it was only fear" (Trumbo, 187-188). -Plot, Perspective, Juxtaposition, Simile, Paradox.
  3. "Christ he's already dead and the big Swede over there is going to catch flu and die in camp and you in the corner you're going to get blown so damned high nobody'll ever have a souvenir and me I'm going to get buried in a trench cave-in and smother now isn't that a hell of a way to die? It was high thin music like a ghost passing through the sunlight. It was pale white music so beautiful so very faint and yet loud enough for all of them to hear. It was music like a soft breeze that finds its way out beyond the place where there is air where there is only space. It was music so faint so shivery so sweet that it made them all tremble as they stood and listened. It is the music of death said Christ the high thin music of death" (Trumbo, 191-192). -Plot, Perspective, Character, Paradox, Juxtaposition, Simile.
  4. "Make no mistake of it we will live. We will be alive and we will walk and talk and eat and sing and laugh and feel and love and bear our children in tranquility in security in decency and peace. You plan the wars you masters of men plan the wars and point to way and we will point the gun" (Trumbo, 243). -Plot.

Quotes 2 and 3 show Juxtaposition, Plot, Perspective, and Simile while also creating a paradox to showcase the absence of sound, but yet there is sound. This is supposed to show Joe's perspective. The feeling of numbness due to losing your arms, legs, face, hearing, and speech. So basically being rendered powerless in life and unable to really even do anything but simply exist. The feeling of being dead, but yet existing still even without any reason to remain alive due to the circumstances you're living under. Juxtaposition in the sense of comparing multiple instances of there being a sound but there being no sound, and paradox in the fact there is no sound, but you hear sound.

The overall message of my book for war would be that war is scary, and is more than a life changing experience, and the impact on people is far from great. War also can't really be compared to something, but even if war ends it doesn't always mean it truly ended.

My opinion on what war never really changed, but due to the juxtaposition, simile, paradox, etc... it helped me gain a better understanding for the effects of war on people, especially under traumatic circumstances. It's nothing short of terrifying what can happen and what the impact on your psyche can be.

Overall, I loved the book. It was very deep, morbid, and had parts that kept me on edge. I can't really recall anything I didn't necessarily care for about it. It was really easy to follow, granted I'm not put off by blood, gore, and graphic description, so I found it easy to follow and the story line overall was really good. Although, it wasn't always easy to follow. There were some parts I had to reread the section because after the initial reading, I thought "What did I just read?", though those moments were few and far between. As for finding literary terms, they came easy to me. There's a ton of simile in this book especially, I will say that. Would I recommend this? Absolutely 5 out of 5 stars, yes. Especially if you like perspective filled books and want to feel as though you're living the situation the character in the book is in. Preface warning, as I said, there is gore and graphic descriptions. So this is not for the faint of heart by a long shot. Overall a great book, gore and morbid things aside.

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Jake Barnes is asked by Robert Cohn Where Lady Brett Ashley is, Jake refuses to tell. Cohn is a boxer. Jake swings on Cohn and a fistfight erupts. After Cohn lay in the bed in the hotel in tears. Jake forgives him.  Cohn is obsessed with Brett and feels unwanted and he leaves the next morning.

“Please say you forgive me, Jake.” “Sure,” I said. “It’s all right.” “I felt so terribly. I’ve been through such hell, Jake. Now everything is gone. Everything.”  (Hemingway 102)

This is character. Cohn reveals his true self to Jake and how he has a soft spot for Brett and he realizes that he is really unwanted.

“Was I rude enough to him?” Brett asked. Cohn was gone. “My God! I’m so sick of him!” (Hemingway 94)

This is plot development. Brett is sick of Cohn as well, he is obsessed with her! 

"Then I went on, and my feet seemed to be a long way off, and everything seemed to come from a long way off, and I could hear my feet walking a great distance away." (Hemingway 101)

An example of hyperbole

""Why he went in and found Brett and the bull-fighter chap in the bull-fighter's room, and then he massacred
the poor, bloody bull-fighter."' (Hemingway 106)

The message most emphasized is being lost. After the war Jake is part of the Lost generation. What now? He attends many social events, drinking and eating out, his life is a repeat of these things. His injury hinders him from getting into relationships with women. The War has left its mark on Jake forever. 

My message hasn't changed really. Jake is left insecure about his injury and it affects people around him like Brett being in love with him but not able to do anything about it.

 

This novel was written very nicely and fairly easy to dissect the Lit terms and find them. It truly is a good story with many quirks to it and characters with a lot of personality. It would be nice to know more about Jake Barnes and his past. I recommend this book to other people as a book to show what a soldier is like after war.

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Billy was deployed in team bravo, he was a brave soldier who had just come off a victory. This meant he got to come home finally to his wife and also got to go to a cowboys game, he was on a victory tour, nothing felt better to be back home but while he was gone so much had changed leaving him with his feelings and fellow soldiers. For being deployed when he came back he wasn't in the worst shape, he still had a great sense of humor, still loved his wife even stayed loyal to her.

  1. ¨you know, cap some Muslim freaks.¨(p187) O´Brien. I chose this quote because it shows perspective and point of view. I think you really have to look at what he said in his point of view because he's the one fighting all of them off, he's the one risking his life. If you were being shot at by another person and had to take them out I'm pretty sure you wouldn't like them either. Perspective goes right along with that knowing the stuff he's been through, getting shot at would not be fun.
  2. ¨it's like a puzzle with a thousand moving parts.¨(p214) O´Brien. I think this has to do with the character, the way he thinks makes you think that he's always very stressed and overwhelmed.
  3. ¨The stage apparatus belches gouts of flame and fireworks as destiny's child ascends with their prancing diva strut.¨(p233) O´Brien. Imagery is shown and maybe a paradox because fire and bodies do not go together, I'm pretty sure ¨gouts¨ means burping. Imagery is also shown when he describes how destiny's child is doing her little diva strut and gives the whole background like the fireworks.
  4. ¨Show devotion to the notion of our mutual creed.¨(p233) O´Brien. I'm gonna say imagery because he goes into detail and uses big words talking about how he was gonna share a moment with someone that believed in the same god as him and him talking to another person about it using the words like devotion, creed, and mutual letting us know they are praying to the same god.
  5. I think my idea on the military has kinda changed, I mean look at billy. He got home to a wife that he was so excited to see and she was hiding stuff behind his back. that put him through even more mental challenges as if being shot at and being in the best physical condition of your life isn't already a big enough mental challenge. He came home and it was like he was still okay. He just didn't bother to ask questions. That shows that he just didn't feel like stressing about anything and that he would get overwhelmed very easily, or overthink.
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In the final third of Slaughterhouse-Five, Billy goes into detail on how he was sent to Dresden two days before the bombing. After the bombing, Billy explained the design to look like the moon. In present-day he explains how he recovered from the plane crash that he had been in and how after the war he was sent home to America to his daughter's house in new york.

"Billy told her what happened to the buildings that used to form cliffs around the stockyard. They had collapsed. Their wood had been consumed, and their stones had crashed down, had tumbled against each other until they locked at last in low and graceful curves" Vonnegut 179  imagery   billy is explaining to his wife about the houses after the Dresden bombing

"....going to survive, were going to have to climb over curve aftercare on the face of the moon." Vonnegut 180 Hyperbole. billy is using an analogy of the moon to explain the creators in the ground of Dresden

"... with bullets the size of robin's eggs." vonnegut 195 medaphor billy expains his bullets in his pistiols to be the size of robin eggs

" the Americans had treated their form of transportation as though it were more sensitive than  six-cylinder chevorlet" vonnegut 196"  medapor billy use of a six cylinder chevy to exaderate how sesitive the equitment is

The finl third of Sluaterhouse-five was somewhat difficult to follow witch made it hard to understand the main message.I would make an infernce that the message is that war is hard one's metal state.It seems that billy trough the book has the mement that he claims to time travile and tends to constantly relfict on past expericanes.

 

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Conrad finally realizes he needs to get help so he goes to the veteran's hospital. They make him wait three months to have his appointment just for the doctor to barely listen to him and give him multiple medications. After that he gives up, he is distancing himself more and more from everyone that loves him and plans on committing suicide until his brother comes and catches him before he has the chance to. His brother says he will not leave his side until he is okay. 

  1. “This time he filled out all the forms. He was sent to the same waiting room, but this time a different woman sat behind the desk.” (Robinson 313) - plot, juxtaposition, character 
  2. “The taste of oil and metal on your tongue, the absolute shape, and feel of the barrel against the roof of your mouth. The great existential question: Would you hear the shot?”(Robinson 320) -plot, understatement, imagery. This shows understatement, Conrad is at the point where he just wants to give up. His wondering about this topic shows just how much of a low he has gotten to.
  3. There was no end to them. He felt claustrophobic at the sight. (Robinson 327)- plot, character,
  4. “This is like being in the middle of a flooding river.I can’t stop it. I can’t get to shore. I can't obey the rules.”(Robinson 346) -point of view, character, simile, imagery. This is an example of Imagery, no matter how hard Conrad tries to suppress his memories and emotions from when he was at the war he can’t. He also tries to fit in back home but is struggling.

 

I think that the author is trying to demonstrate that War leaves long(sometimes forever) lasting effects on soldiers and their families. Conrad's family has tried to reach out to him multiple times with help but he just doesn’t know how to take it. Meanwhile, he is being harsh to them, distancing himself, and is going down a spiral. 

My message about war ended up staying the same. There's a lot of perspective showing up throughout the whole story as well as the plot.

 

I liked how my novel was going back and forth between present time and flashbacks. It was pretty easy to follow and find literary terms, the only down I have about the book is the first half is very hard to get into. I would definitely recommend this book to other students.

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In the third part of the book Kate attempts to do something about Kormick and Boner by going to a female officer, this was a mistake because Kate and Yvette end up getting put on a convoy as a way of shutting them up. Naema spends time working at the hospital where she and her mom took her grandmother, helping others who have been affected by the war. Naema’s grandmother, brother, and possibly her father have all died. Yvette and Third Eye both died and Kate was  injured after she shot one of the prisoners and she blacks out and falls off of her tower. The last part of this book switches off more between past and present and eventually ends with Kate staying with Jimmy with mentions of another deployment for him. Naema ends her story by talking about her grandmother's funeral.

 

“It’s like walking through the land of the fucking dead.” (Benedict 220) -simile, imagery

“We pass a body run over so often it’s flat as a puddle.” (Benedict 244) -simile, imagery, perspective 

“In one corner a cluster of people is drinking out of an oil drum, but when I draw near I see that the water is covered with slimy, gray scum.” (Benedict 250) -imagery, perspective plot- the use of Naema’s perspective here helps me understand what she was seeing when she went to the hospital for her grandmother and how desperate people were for water and help.

“Orange, yellow, orange, yellow. … Orange. Yellow. Orange. Yellow.”(Benedict 266) -repetition, imagery- the use of this literary device helps give added meaning into the text that helps me better understand what Kate was thinking and feeling after she killed the donkey.

 

The overall message of war that is seen is that war changes everyone involved whether it be the soldiers fighting or the citizens under attack, your life will be impacted by its effects.

 

The uses of imagery through the last section of the book really helped emphasize the new message of war that was portrayed. Scenes about what Kate and Naema were witnessing like when Yvette was dying or when Naema’s grandmother was dying having the imagery they provided helped add meaning to the words that were trying to be conveyed. The war message changed slightly from everyone feeling the war to the war changing everyone and it changed because through each of the perspectives you can see Naema and kate's outlook on the war change through the events they have experienced. Naema in the beginning was more worried rather than angry and Kate was excited. She was happy to finally be working for her country but through the book you could see her separating from her past like with Tyler and her parents and god.

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In the third part of the novel "Eleven Days" by Lea Carpenter,  we see lots of Sara on a plane with Godfather, and eventually, David, who was believed to be dead. While on this plane, which we find out is taking them to see Jason, who had been missing for 10 days, it jumps to a new scene, explaining how he went missing. They tell us about his extremely important mission, and how he went into a closet after hearing a crying baby, but was not seen again after. We then jump back to the plane, where we see Sara asking David questions, but surprisingly, isn’t all too surprised he is alive like you would expect. When they make it to the hospital, Jason has a big wound from his ear to his neck, and we soon find out that he has passed away. After Jason is truly gone for the first time, we see Sara do things she has never done before, like lock her door at night, and consider moving homes. This war changed her more than she could’ve expected. 

  1. “ ‘War is the ability to die for another person without hesitation. War is the belief in the value of another person’s life above belief in the value of your own.’ ” (Carpenter 199) Perspective, Hyperbole.
  2. “This man knew David well. At least, he knows a lot about what David did–or claims to. Jason listens.” (Carpenter 202) Plot, Perspective, Character, Understatement. 

This quote builds up the plot, as we later find out that this man actually was David, and when David boards the plane, we then understand why he knows so much about Jason and his mission.

  1. “The final destination has changed. The plane lets down its ladder, and Sara sees a man come across the runway. It’s David.” (Carpenter 214) Plot, Perspective, Character, Understatement, Imagery.
  2. “Then she closes the door behind her and locks it. She is entirely alone for the first time in eleven days.” (Carpenter 258) Plot, Perspective, Character, Imagery.

This quote builds character, as we see how quickly she has changed once she truly realized she was alone, and would never have the real company of Jason again. She would never use to close the door when he was gone, but now that he is gone for good, she did. 

I think the message most emphasized is that war affects not only those involved directly, but those involved indirectly as well. I believe this because throughout the story, Sara and others have a lot of emotions because of Jason, and it affects them a lot. 

What I liked about this novel was how easy the story was to follow. Usually when I read, whatever it is goes in one ear and out the other, but this book I really understood the story line, and I actually enjoyed reading it.

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Duke and Hawkeye disappear for a few days and no one knows where they are. When they come back the colonel  said that they found two new replacements for them because there time there was coming to an end.  Trapper doesn't want them to leave because he still has time left at the 4077th mash. On the day that Hawkeye and Duke leave Trapper throws them a going a way party. 

"Now,while you two clowns were gone... We picked up two new man." '(188 Hooker) P.O.V 

"You either get to love a few people or to hate them, and we've been pretty lucky." (204 Hooker) Character 

"The flight to Atlanta was announced. Duke put his arm around Hawkeye." (219 Hooker) Imagery 

"I'll see y'all some time, you goddamned Yankee, stay loose." (219 Hooker) Metaphor 

The last two quotes that I choose help me understand the book is that over the 8 months that Hawkeye, Duke and Trapper  all got really closes and their friendship was really important to them. The lit terms help me understand that it was really hard for them to say goodbye to each other and they were really exited to leave the 4077th mash. 

It seems to me that the 3 of them were more interested in their friendship then the war. The war for them was just in the background for them . They would obviously have to face some terrible things and do their job but the book really forced on their friendship.  

My understanding of war changed in the last part of the book because the author really focused on the bond and friendship the 3 doctors had. An how hard it was to leave each other. 

I like that the book didn't talk about all of the gross injures. I would have liked if the author talked about of the doctors felt about what they saw and had to help with. This book was some what easy to follow. Sometimes I would have to read the chapter over again to really understand what was happening. I would recommend this to someone that is interested in war and surgery.  

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In the last third of the book there was a football game between the 4077th and general Hammonds men in Seoul. As the book comes to an end, Duke and Hawkeye’s service comes to an end. But before they left they had to train their replacements. 

“We want a football team, and we want to challenge the 325th Evac for the championship of Korea, and to do it we need a neurosurgeon.” (Hooker 158) plot. This quote helped me understand the story more because I realized that they were going to play in a football game. This quote is an example of plot because it’s explaining a moment in the story when they had the idea to play a football game.

“We are not concerned with the ultimate reconstruction of the patient. We are concerned only with getting the kid out of here alive enough for someone else to reconstruct him.” (Hooker 195) 

“As the ferry left the dock, they leaned over the side, smoking and observing a crowd of Koreans and a Korean band cheering and serenading their departure. Hawkeye threw his cigarette into the swirling, dirty waters below.” (Hooker 213) plot. This quote helped me understand the story better because I learned that Hawkeye was leaving. This quote is an example of plot because it’s an important moment in the story when Hawkeye was leaving. 

“But do y’all know something? This is the first day in eighteen months I ain’t killed nobody.” (Hooker 207) character

Message: War is brutal. I think this is a good message because the doctor's job was very difficult. I don’t think the message changed at all throughout the novel because literary terms like imagery and character haven’t changed. The doctors haven’t changed because they always had to save injured soldiers' lives throughout the story.

Overall I enjoyed reading the MASH. I liked how the book was funnier than the average war book. I feel like it’s not as serious and gruesome as other war books. I would suggest this book to people who want to read a war book that's a bit on the funnier side. Overall I didn’t think finding literary terms was that difficult. 

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in the last third of the book, joe is learning from his dreams now as he slowly loses purpose and starts to remember a time in the war when he wishes he could have done something to help them. he finds ways to communicate with people, only for them not to care because he is a tested subject. although he can't move or really do anything he understands that this is his life now after attempting suicide and failing very badly.

"he felt all in a hub-bub."(Trumbo pg 155)

"a man came in the room with heavy footsteps"(Trumbo pg 184)imagery

"even his blood seemed at rest." (Trumbo pg 186)

"leaping with every step miles above the Earth"(Trumbo pg 215)

the message of the story: war causes suffering in many people who aren't affected by the cause of the war. this message stays the say throughout the book. but is kinda complicated because joe really wanted to go in the beginning.

I hated reading this book it was too simple nothing happened and at the end of the book he is just living meat.

 

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in the last 3 of my book, The Sun Also Rises by Ernest Hemmingway They are just finishing up their trip to the festival and a lot of things go down. Robert Cohn and Jake get into a fight and Cohn goes around and fights a lot of people. He is really in love with Brett but she turns him down because of what he is doing. They all part ways at the end of the festival and go home, Jake heads back to Spain. He gets a telegram from Brett to head off to her hotel because she is in trouble, so he heads over to help her, and the novel ends with them talking about how life would have been amazing if they ended up together.

"He hit me and I sat down on the pavement. As I started to get on my feet he hit me twice."(Hemingway 195) This quote is an example of the literary term Plot. It helps me understand the novel better because throughout they have always said bad stuff about Robert and I feel like Jake and him always a]had something between them because of Brett. This moment was the point I see them both really separate and they never seem as close as they were after. 

"Anything you want me to do."(Hemingway 211) This quote is an example of the literary term Plot. 

"So long, Mike. So long, you chaps. You've been damned nice."(Hemingway 235) This quote is an example of the literary term Plot.

"Oh, Jake, Brett said, we could have such a damned good time together...Yes, I said, isn't it pretty to think so."(Hemingway 251) This quote is an example of the literary term plot. It helps me understand the story better because Jake has loved Brett throughout the story but he thinks they can't be together because of his inability to perform. This quote shows that Brett truly cares for him as well and that something could be there if they let it happen. 

I think the most scene message about war throughout the book is that even after the war you are never the same. The novel shows this a lot with Mike using the literary term plot. Mike gets "tight a lot and he just seems to go with the flow of life. It also shows this a lot with Jake by showing how close he is with Brett and how obsessed he is with her using the literary terms plot and metaphors.  

My overall thought of the theme stayed the same throughout the book, and I didn't mind this book. I wouldn't recommend reading it just because it is hard to follow but overall at the end of the book it got intersting. 

 

 

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In the last part of Billy Lynn's long halftime walk, The bravos are still at the football game getting ready to leave and getting ready to go back to war. There were some issues as they were leaving the stadium and Billy says bye to the cheerleader and they have a very intense conversation. 

  1. “He narrowed his eyes into slits and everything blurs, it is a rat bite fever dream of soldiers, marching bands, blizzards of bodies bumping and grinding, whoofs of fireworks, multiple drum lines cranking go team go”. (Fountain 234)- Plot, point of view and metaphor. 
  2. “Sometimes I wonder if the whole thing might be a mistake. I mean, I think we ought to be fighting terrorism and everything, but it’s like , okay, we got rid of saddam, maybe we should just bring our guys home and let Iraquis work it out for themselves”. (Fountain 246)- Paradox, plot and perspective. This quote makes me better understand the story because Billy is talking to the cheerleader and she says this and it really points out what some people actually think about war and how they feel. War isn’t just about how the soldiers are, it's about everyone. 
  3. “Billy, all those mofos ever do is lie. You think if they halfway told the truth we’d even be in a f------ war? You know what I think, I think we don’t deserve to have you guys die for us. No country that lets its leader lie like that deserves a single soldier to die for it”. (Fountain 255)- Character, Point of view, and plot. This quote helps me better understand this story because this is coming from Billy’s sister that she believes that if someone is going to lie they shouldn’t be able to have people die for them. These people are putting their lives on the line while people are lying to them. 
  4. “He’s in. Bound for the war. Goodbye, goodbye, good night, I love you all. He sits back, closes his eyes, and tries to think about nothing as the limo takes them away”. (Fountain 307)- Understatement, plot, and perspective

The overall message of this story is War is a lifetime of fighting even if you're not on the battlefield. I feel like the message I got from the story changed a little bit from the beginning. The literary terms really helped me understand what the message is with the flashbacks and metaphors but also the plot. I personally didn’t like this book and it was hard for me to follow it. The literary terms were pretty easy to find but just not my cup of tea. 

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Sara is flying across the world to go confirm the condition of her son, who had been taken during a search and rescue mission in Afghanistan. Sara, who is very anxious, is accompanied by the comfort of Jason’s godfather on the private jet. Sara is only mildly surprised to see Jason’s father, David, when they stop in Saudi Arabia, who was presumed to be dead many years ago. David travels with the two to go see Jason, and Sara can’t deny that she still gets warm, secure feelings when David is around. She does not have time to feel anger toward David for leaving, since her only focus is to gain information about Jason. David tells her what he knows about Jason’s situation, and tells her about how he talked to Jason in the airport before he left for his mission. Then Sara arrives in Afghanistan and it’s too late. Sara has lost her son. She lays by his bedside and holds his wrist like she always used to do to comfort him when he needed her. After she comes to peace with the loss of her son, Sara arrives home to a letter bestowed by Sam. Jason wrote a final letter to his mother, telling her how she gave him the courage to be who he was, and how much he loved her. 

“‘You romanticize him. David sat at a desk.’ ‘David placed his life on the line for this country.’ ‘Behind a desk.’ ‘I’,m not sure you understand the full extent of what he did.’(Carpenter 175)---Plot, perspective, understatement, character

` This quote helps me understand that war doesn’t only entail gunfighting on a battlefield. Sacrifices are made everywhere during times of war, and we may not know what someone else is giving up. Understatement is the literary term that the author uses in this quote to help us understand that. We may not know what a person is going through during a war, just like Sara doesn’t know the sacrifices that David was making when he was away. 

“‘He hated that we were sending ‘the best and brightest not into the Oval Office but into the jungles, to die.’”(Carpenter 187)---Plot, perspective, hyperbole

“‘-Engagement. But people die in wars, Sara. And someone is at the other end of the gun every time.’”(Carpenter 196)---Perspective, plot

“‘War is the ability to die for another person without hesitation. War is the belief in the value of another person’s life above belief in the in the value of your own.’”(Carpenter 199)---Plot, perspective

This quote helps me understand that war takes extreme courage and sacrifice. Jason had extreme courage and made a sacrifice of his own life, which many people can’t say they would do. I believe that the author uses this quote to show her perspective on what war truly means to her. That is why this quote is a great example of perspective. 

The message that was emphasized through these quotes has a lot to do with death, of course. But I believe it has, even more, to do with courage and sacrifice. War requires you to be courageous and make sacrifices. It takes great courage to go out on the battlefield and risk your life for the ones you love. It takes great courage to pull the trigger, knowing that the man on the other side of the barrel is likely to die. Going to war is a sacrifice of not only your life, but also your friends, family, time, and dreams. 

From reading response 2 to reading response three, I learned much more about the message of war in the novel. The author made it very clear with many quotes that helped us see her perspective on war. The quotes in reading response 2 seemed to be more focused on the plot, and the challenging experiences of Jason and his SEAL team. These quotes have much more meaning, a helped me narrow down on a specific message about war.

Overall, I really loved the novel “Eleven Days.” I felt at times, it was a little challenging to follow what was going on in the novel just because it jumped back and forth in time. But literary terms were easy to find and understand, and the ending of the novel tied the book together perfectly. So I would recommend this to an underclassman going through this unit.

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The final third of The Sun Also Rises was very eventful. They are wrapping up their trip to the festival. A fight breaks out between Cohn, Robert,and Jake and Cohn goes a little too far and fights a bunch of people. He tells Brett how he feels and how much he really does love her but she turns him down because of his actions.After the festival is over they each take their own path, Jake goes back to Spain. He gets a telegram from Brett to head to her hotel because she is in trouble, he rushes over and they end up talking about how different and great it would've been if they ended up together. That's how the novel ends.

 

"He hit me and I sat down on the pavement. As I started to get on my feet he hit me twice." This is an example of plot. This was a big moment that helped me as a reader understand the story more. They have always bickered and had tension because of Brett but in this moment they went at each other and Jake really had a lot of built up anger 

“These bull-fights are hell on one,” Brett said. “I’m as limp as a rag.” This quote is an example of a simile. 

“Was I rude enough to him?” Brett asked. Cohn was gone. “My God! I’m so sick of him!” This quote is an example of character.

"Oh, Jake, Brett said, we could have such a damned good time together...Yes, I said, isn't it pretty to think so." This is another example of plot. This moment stuck out to me because it was the end of the book and at this point we all wanted Jake and Brett top get together but she wouldn't because of his action. 

 

The message about war that I got from this novel is that once you have experienced something such as war, you will never come out the other end the same again. They get sore easier and they have a bad temper. 

My overall take from the message about war has not changed since the last section. I have found a crazy amount of quotes that are examples of plot and character that have helped me with the overall message to this novel. 

 

Overall this novel was a pretty easy read, easy to follow along, easy to find plenty of lit terms, one thing I did not like was that I wish Jake and Brett got together in the end but that would've been too predictable to it makes sense that they didn't. I do recommend this book to future students doing this assignment

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The main character in my story, Conrad, also struggles with getting better and attempts suicide because he loses hope and changing. He tries to get a appointment at the VA and after they tell him he can't get an appointment even after waiting for three months he finally admits he might be suicidal to the VA and they offer him an appointment in 30 days. When he hears this he thinks "Thirty days. He could make it" (Robinson 364). 

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¨Hawkeye noticed that they were getting bored and stirry so he wanted to make a football team.He wanted to go against the 325th evacuation hospital he was talking about how it would clean up some debts that they may have by betting on themselves and Hwakeye actually made a team out of the people that he had and the spearchucker and beat the 325th evacuation after that Duke and hawkeye returned home to their families and were done serving.

¨Listen you guys ,¨ Hawkeye said. ¨I´m serious. We´re all starting to get stirry again. We need something to do. There´s that big guy named Vollmer over in supply who played center for nebraska. Jeeter was a second string halfback at Oklahoma . . .(Page 155 Hooker) Plot because Hawkeye making a football team was part of the plot because it talks about them training and getting ready for their first football game and who won and stuff.

¨The holidays dragged on for hawkeye and duke. The 4077th  was reasonably busy, so they had enough to do. I´ve got orders for you two eight balls to ship out of here a week from today. Duke and Hawkeye jumped, laughed, hugged Henry, hugged each other. Spearchucker with two months left to go, congratulated the warmly.¨(Page 200 to 201 Hooker) This has to do with the plot and characters because duke and Hawkeye are getting Homecoming because there time is up and there characters were happy for them except for trapper because he has 6 long months left and the spearchucker was happy for them and he gets homecoming in two months and it is hard for soldiers not being with their families on the holidays that's why it is so hard to do what they do. ¨Helluva place to end an interesting association, doctor,¨ said Hawkeye Pierce, ¨but itś been nice known you.¨ (Page 219 Hooker) My literary terms for this are Plot and character because this is the end of the plot where they go their own separate ways. And wont see each other again and when you are working with each other and sharing the same barracks with each other it is kind of like you are leaving some of your family behind even though you are going to see your real family and character because it must be hard to leave the people that you have become close friends with and there not there no more and their the only oneś who can relate with what you've been through. ¨That's the obvious answer, but I have a hospital to run and you know how hard replacements are to get, and I have to make the oneś we get as useful as I can.¨ (196 Hooker)

Plot because the wife of Captain Blake is sending him letters saying how she can't stand his parents and the kids are driving her nuts and she thinks that he can just leave when he wants but he can't. Character because the duke and hawkeye feel bad for captain blake and tried to talk to somebody and see if he can get sent home early but they wouldn't let them because replacements are hard to get and his wife doesn't understand that. War is hard on soldiers and their families is my message about the book. My understanding about war has changed a little bit because I didn't realize or really think about how soldiers are away from their family and friends for so long and how everything that happens in war that you see and hear affects you either positively or in a negative way. I liked my book because it was easy to follow. For the most part it was a little long but the book wasn't bad. I would recommend it to someone.

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In the last part of my book ¨ The sun also rises ¨ was very eventful, all the friends finish up there trip to the bullfighting festival. A fight breaks down between Cohn, Robert, and Jake, Cohn takes it was too far and starts fighting a bunch of different people. Brett falls in love with a bull fighter named Romeo and she ends up breaking up with him because he wants her to change into a more traditional feminine woman and she doesn't like that. Jake tells Brett how much she really cares about him and how much he loves her and she turns him down. All the friends go back to Paris and Spain and there own paths. Later on Brett sends Jake a telegram that says to head to her hotel because she is in trouble, he rushes over and she ends up talking to him about how she thinks that they could have worked out wonderfully, Jake reply ¨Isn't it pretty to think so¨(Hemingway 251) 

 

¨¨Oh, go to hell, Cohn,¨ Mike called from the table.¨Brett's gone off with the bull fighter chap. They´re on their honey-moon.¨( Hemingway 194) This quote  example of Character, its significant because its what started the fight between all of them. 

¨I was hoping he would knock down a waiter,¨ Mike said,¨and get arrested. Id like to see Mr. Robert Cohn in jail¨( 195 Hemingway) This is a good example of the literary term for plot because it helps moves along the plot. It is significant because it talking about how Mike doesn't like Robert and how he wants to see him in jail. 

¨I couldn't stand it about Brett, I've been through hell, Simply been hell¨ ¨You were the only friend I had, and I loved Brett so.¨( 198 Hemingway) This is an example of juxtaposition because it is talking about how Brett hurt him so much and then talked about how he loved her. 

¨Oh Jake, ¨Brett said, ¨we could have had such a damned good time together.¨(251 Hemingway)  this is an example of point of view. this is significant because the whole story Brett is turning down Jake and finally at the end she admits that they would have had a good time together. 

I think that the message about war is even after you get out of war the struggles that linger from war will always be there, and that your life is going to change drastically. The message about war did not really change that much through out the story because it was about the afterlife of Jake and how he worked through the struggles he had after war. This book was okay, I thought that it was hard to follow and that it was hard to read for me, in the story they had alot of long conversations that were hard to follow and I thought pointless to the story. 

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